Why noggings

[tomas_mandorf]

Hello,

I've seen many drawings for the construction of various smaller buildings like garages/cabins/carports with and without frames with or without braces.

When should you have these and when do you not need them?

//Tomas

 

[dejmon]

My opinion: in all floor levelling to counteract "golvknirr"

..//N

 

[ByggaNytt]

It is quite visible here with noggings against the external wall for the floor chipboard and should precisely counteract flex/creak....

http://www.familjenlindstrom.se/images/vvs.jpg
http://www.familjenlindstrom.se/images/senco.jpg

 

[Magnus_Nordmark]

Explain to me, in what way does the creaking decrease? Because you distribute the load a bit to the adjacent joists?

Next question then, why do you use noggins in walls? Is it for lateral stability? Isn’t the boarding (OSB, drywall etc) enough to hold it?

 

[Mats]

I only frame walls where I need support for something, e.g., windows, doors, or roof trusses. Another case is if I need to mount something heavy on the inside.

Otherwise, I build with a regular standing frame and secure it with crossed nail plates.

 

[dejmon]

Cross bracing wall vs floor I consider to be 2 separate things
I insist that it should be done between the floor joists.
The sparse paneling that you nail on top of the floor joists only keeps the joists steady upwards.

A cheap insurance!

..//N

 

[anaitis]

Kortling is placed in wall
Cross-bracing in floor

 

[dejmon]

Correct, but I have heard from others that "kortling" is an expression that gets mixed up with "krysskolvning," but "kortling" works in flooring too, although "krysskolvning" is more effective.
..//N

 

[tomas_mandorf]

Thank you for all the answers.

My question mainly concerned noggings in the wall, but it's always interesting to learn more about construction.

I will build a carport with a storage room, 3 * 3.6 m. The plan is that the walls will consist of board-on-board, exterior gypsum on 45*120 studs, possibly with plywood on the inside to be able to hang things on the walls. The summary from this thread, as far as I can see, is:

Noggings are not necessary except where you plan to hang heavy objects and around doors and windows. Correct?

Counter question. Do noggings in the wall cause any harm apart from potential cold bridges that could occur?

 

[ByggaNytt]

* Yup, use Plyfa/OSB behind drywall.

* No damage (except for lost insulation capability) but not needed!

http://www.familjenlindstrom.se/images/vagg.jpg

 

[tomas_mandorf]

Then the timber I bought for noggings will become a playhouse for the kids instead

 

[dejmon]

so much timber for noggings?
do you think someone is messing with you?

..//N

 

[tomas_mandorf]

.. or a small playhouse

bought 3.6 studs with the thought that it would be enough for two noggins at ~60cm.

//Tomas

 

[Milkshaken]

I would still have installed nogging blocks since plyfa is not exactly known for being good for hanging heavy objects,,,, You can't, for example, use regular wood screws to attach cabinets, wheels, ladders, etc., on such a wall..... Instead, install nogging blocks at regular intervals so you know where you can mount, and it will also be somewhat linear.....

Just my suggestion...

 

[dejmon]

or simply write down on a piece of paper where in height the shortling is located.

..//N