Bought a couple of packets of PTS because;
1. Grabber is good
2. Grabber recommends PTS for panel
I randomly read the reviews this morning before starting the work on installing the panel.. Damn hell, what a damn lousy screw head. How can someone come up with the design and how can someone else choose to produce this crap? Then market it and finally purchase for a serious building supply store. Everyone involved in the chain should go back to counting nails/screws in the packages.
After finding stainless deck screws with Torx, my nerves calmed enough to continue.
In summary. Grabber PTS = crap.
Square drive = evil.
Torx = happiness.
1. Grabber is good
2. Grabber recommends PTS for panel
I randomly read the reviews this morning before starting the work on installing the panel.. Damn hell, what a damn lousy screw head. How can someone come up with the design and how can someone else choose to produce this crap? Then market it and finally purchase for a serious building supply store. Everyone involved in the chain should go back to counting nails/screws in the packages.
After finding stainless deck screws with Torx, my nerves calmed enough to continue.
In summary. Grabber PTS = crap.
Square drive = evil.
Torx = happiness.
Hey Jonstorp
Could you please, just to avoid potentially misleading anyone, add the words "I thought that" to the first sentence in the post above?
It would be interesting to hear how MB77 managed not to experience the same problem as the rest of us, what does MB77 know that we can't figure out, what's the secret?
Could you please, just to avoid potentially misleading anyone, add the words "I thought that" to the first sentence in the post above?
It would be interesting to hear how MB77 managed not to experience the same problem as the rest of us, what does MB77 know that we can't figure out, what's the secret?
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Well, it seems you've had quite a lot of trouble with the panel screw.
I don't recognize the problems you're experiencing. I don't know what machines you've been using, but I've personally used the Bosch GDR and it has worked excellently.
I don't recognize the problems you're experiencing. I don't know what machines you've been using, but I've personally used the Bosch GDR and it has worked excellently.
I could be completely wrong but isn't it the case that in Canada it's square drive that dominates. And that with torx it was some patent/rights issue that made them choose not to use it. I think this was discussed in a thread here a few weeks ago.
Yep, I think so too!MB77 said:
My firm opinion, without much statistical basis, is that all forms of screws that risk being stripped have a superior chance of survival if used with an impact driver or impact wrench.
But I would still preferably avoid square if possible.
Torx is nice, but even a well-made PH2 works reasonably well with good bits and the impact function.
I use Grabbers PTS screw for cladding, corner boards, and bargeboards. This way, I can easily remove the boards for repainting without having to completely break everything. Grabbers screw is far too expensive to use for an entire building. There is no significant difference in how well the boards hold if you compare Grabber with regular hot-dip galvanized 5-inch nails. The most important thing is actually that the panel boards have grooves on the back, something that has almost entirely been discontinued. My house, which I built in 2000, was delivered with grooved panel boards (dimensions 22x120). I tried screwing my small cabin with Grabbers PTS screw for fun to see if the panel would sit tighter, but as mentioned, it’s the grooving on the panel that counts. The panel on the cabin bent more than on the house. As for the bits, they are hopeless, but to get a neat head on the screw, a small bit is needed. I think Torx looks too ugly for cladding. Speaking of the bits, I tried to get hold of Wera's Impaktor Bits, which should be available for Robertson bits, as they are hardened and should last a while. Unfortunately, it didn't go well; I got no response from the Swedish general agent and haven’t pursued the issue further. I believe Wera’s bits are called
- 868/1 IMP DC Impaktor Square-Plus bits
or
- 868/1 BTZ Square-Plus bits
- 868/1 IMP DC Impaktor Square-Plus bits
or
- 868/1 BTZ Square-Plus bits
I use a Makita impact driver BTD141, I think that's what it's called, and it doesn't help at all.
The idea that it should be square drive because it has a small head doesn't hold up either; there are plenty of Torx screws with such a small head in my screw assortment box.
But, MB77, what bits do you use, the ones that come in the package, or some other special ones?
The idea that it should be square drive because it has a small head doesn't hold up either; there are plenty of Torx screws with such a small head in my screw assortment box.
But, MB77, what bits do you use, the ones that come in the package, or some other special ones?
Hi, where did you buy your bits?MB77 said: