Hello,

I want to create a recess in a load-bearing exterior wall. 3.2m of the exterior wall below will be replaced with 90x180 mm glulam (somewhat oversized as it will become glass sliding doors underneath) standing on two pillars 115x115 mm. I have q= 2.64 kN/m over the support beam from roof beams (self-weight + snow load) - calculated it to theoretical values kN/m, it is actually point loads. I get the following load cases against the beam:
Diagram showing loads on a beam: self-weight (0.1 kN/m) and roof beam load (2.64 kN/m) over a 3200 mm span. X-axis marks distance from beam's left end.
Diagram of a beam showing reactions at both ends, with no bearing indicated, each with a force of 4.36 kN. Horizontal axis shows distance in meters.
Graph showing shear force (green line, decreasing) and bending moment (red curve, parabolic) for a beam across a span of 3m.

Now to my questions:
1. Where should the support beam be placed in terms of height in the following wall? Can it be placed above the red rectangle, directly under the handrail/main line?
Blueprint of a wall plan detailing measurements and placement of beams and posts. A section is highlighted in red, indicating a renovation area for sliding glass doors.

Question 2. Should the pillar rest on the sill or should the sill be cut out where the pillars will sit? (I assume the first but asking to be sure).

Question 3. How do I check if the concrete slab as shown below can handle the new pressure from the pillar? It is only 0.35MPa but I want to be sure. If anyone knows how to calculate it, a description of the calculation process would be appreciated, as I want to learn as much as possible.

Cross-section diagram of a concrete slab foundation with detailed measurements and notes on load-bearing structures and reinforcement placement.
 
Not an answer to your questions, but how did you come up with a 90x180mm beam? My gut feeling is that it is too weak for a 3.6m opening.
 
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2.64 kN/m is an unrealistically low distributed load in that context. Without knowing the roof construction and snow zone, I think the value should be in the range of 8-16 kN/m. As @Gabbe1 points out, 90x180 won't suffice. A more realistic dimension is 90x315-360. Then the column pressure will also be different, probably in the range of 1-2 MPa. If the columns land on the edge beam, there should be no problem, otherwise, some form of reinforcement is required. The sill should be cut away. It's probably better with 90x90 columns that can land with a larger part on the edge beam. From a load point of view, they are sufficient.
 
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G Gabbe1 said:
Not an answer to your questions, but how did you come up with a 90x180mm beam? My gut feeling is that it's too weak for a 3.6m opening.
Something must have gone wrong on my end, you're right that 90x180 doesn't hold up when I recalculate. Recalculating below.

Deflection:

3.2m opening
Influence depth of support beam: 3.7m (see drawing of existing roof truss below)
Light outer roof, assuming 0.5kN/m2 with roof beams
Snow load 1kN/m2
Self-weight 115x270 support beam 5x0.115x0.270 = 0.2 kN/m

Load combination 6.14b:
q= (0.5x3.7m + 0.2) + (1 x 3.7m) = 5.75kN/m

Load combination 6.16b (creep):
q = (0.5x3.7+0.2)+(0.1x1x3.7m) = 2.42 kN/m

Testing beam 115x270mm
E=13000MPa
I= 1.886 x 10^-4 m^4

Gives deformation 3.2mm
Creep deformation 0.8 mm

Total 4 mm or L/800

Support beam over opening: Architectural drawing of a roof truss with dimensions and beam types labeled, showing a span of 9079mm and structural details.
 
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J justusandersson said:
2.64 kN/m is an unrealistically low distributed load in that context. Without knowing the roof structure and snow zone, I think the value should be in the range of 8-16 kN/m. As @Gabbe1 points out, 90x180 won't suffice. A more realistic dimension is 90x315-360. This will also change the column pressure, probably in the range of 1-2 MPa. If the columns are on the edge beam, there should be no problem, otherwise some form of reinforcement is required. The sill should be cut away. Probably better with 90x90 columns that can have more on the edge beam. They are sufficient from a load perspective.
Thanks, you located the error in my calculations. New calculations can be found in another response further up. Furthermore, your explanation of the load distribution on the edge elements makes me consider replacing the beam and columns with something 90mm deep (as long as it can withstand the wind load).

Do you know where the beam should be placed in the wall? Cut away the existing beam over the window and place the support beam directly under the bearing line?

And what type of foundation reinforcement might be necessary in a case where the column does not sit on the edge element?
 
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J justusandersson said:
2.64 kN/m is an unrealistically low distributed load in that context. Without knowing the roof construction and snow zone, I think the value should be in the range of 8-16 kN/m. Then 90x180 doesn't suffice as @Gabbe1 points out. A more realistic dimension is 90x315-360. Then the column pressure will also be different, probably in the range of 1-2 MPa. If the columns land on the edge beam, it shouldn't be a problem; otherwise, some form of reinforcement is required. The sill should be cut away. Probably it is better with 90x90 columns which can have a larger part on the edge beam. From a load point of view, they suffice.
The stamp pressure becomes too high (support beam against stud 90x90). Must increase to columns 115x115 to withstand the stamp pressure. How do I check that the foundation holds now that the beam lands a bit away from the edge element? Note that the remaining columns in the wall are of dimension 90x120. So the column will be in the right place, but the pressure will increase. Therefore, I think a calculation check is required.
 
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