Hello

I have 6 trusses of the "A" type, they are from 1916.

Does anyone have a formula for calculating the strength, i.e., can I remove the knee wall and the beam?

See attached sketch.

Best regards, Kristoffer
 
I don't believe that...
 
In principle, you can remove the crawl space and the beam. This assumes that the outer walls are load-bearing, which they reasonably are in a house from 1916. The outer walls likely consist of standing planks or horizontal logs. Then the rafters must have somewhat reasonable dimensions. The roof pitch of only 28 degrees is unusually low for a house from 1916 and contributes to a greater bending moment in the rafters than is usual.
 
Thank you

The walls are 80mm horizontal planks, 3 1/4 inches.
I have found an architectural/engineering firm that promised to calculate it.

The lintels are 165x65mm.

Best regards, Kristoffer
 
Then there should not be any problems!
 
Hello

Do you happen to have any documentation, sizing table or similar, or is it based on your experience?

K
 
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which beam do you want to remove?

the upper one is part of the truss and the lower one holds the walls together, maybe it won't collapse immediately but there is a risk that it will buckle...

I'm hesitant.

/ATW
 
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Hello

No, the hanbjälken and upper arms should remain, it's the support (kattvind/storage) that should be removed. The question is whether to leave the top beam in the current storage wall.

K
 
Will try to reply in more detail later today.
 
First, a word of caution: Old houses are not as systematically built as modern houses (most built after 1950). One cannot assume that everything looks the same all the way through. Theoretical knowledge along with knowledge of older building techniques combined with practical experience is a good foundation for addressing this issue. The collar tie (the horizontal beam) is intended to prevent the outer walls from bowing out. It does not bear any vertical loads and can be replaced with a rod or a steel wire. The rafters (the sloping roof truss beams) bear the loads that the roof is subjected to and transfer these loads to the outer walls, which in turn transfer them to the foundation. The load on a rafter is mainly determined by the roof's own weight and the snow load present. (In Mölndal, they account for 1.5 kN/sqm, approximately 150 kg/sqm for snow load). The load on the rafter is also affected by its slope. The greater the slope, the more of the load becomes a normal force acting in the direction of the rafter, which can be disregarded in this case. You also need to know the distance between the roof trusses. There are roof truss variants that also have braces, but then it looks a bit different than what the drawing shows. Your rafters are probably cut in the dimension of 3x7 inches, possibly a bit undersized, which was a very common dimension in the past. My conclusion is that you can remove the wall to the attic space without any problem. However, it is not a bad idea to have a competent person look at the conditions.
 
Thanks for the input!

I have asked a designer to look at it... hoping for an answer by next week, but I agree, the walls can be removed without any problem.

Let's see what a designer with a modern perspective/calculation method comes up with.

Best regards, Kristoffer
 
Didn't get anything useful from the konstruktör... :-(. Right now I don't know what to do, remove everything or leave a bjälke as support.

Best regards, KP
 
I can calculate strength and I would never consider removing the rafters. The top beam in the knee wall is namely a rafter that should support the roof. If you remove it, the wall plate presses out and the truss tie beams bend... no, it's not possible.
If the rafters are too weak to support between transverse partition walls, they need to be replaced with thicker ones.
 
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Thank you for the input

And the question is then what dimension the åsar should be. Right now, there is not much left of 2 of the 4 former kattvindar, of which one is not adjacent to the roof truss.
Exposed attic insulation and wooden beams, with part of the ceiling showing visible wear and tear in a renovation project.
Wooden beams and partially dismantled attic space under renovation, showing exposed roof insulation and structural elements.

K
 
One can see quite clearly in the pictures that the "åsarna" were added later than the roof truss itself. They don't even function as supports. The attic floor is also not designed to handle the vertical loads that would result if the roof trusses rested on the "åsarna". The dimensions of the roof trusses are so substantial, and the c/c distance between them so short, that they should be able to support the roof. I would bring in an older architect who has experience with old houses. There are quite a few of those in your area.
 
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