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Problem, sloppy carpenter..help (pictures)
General reflection is that people have very different opinions on what is attractive and what is "correct." Mitered corners on moldings are clearly the most attractive...but not the only "correct" way. Unprofiled moldings can be joined in many ways...and straight joints in inner corners are basically the standard.
Nowadays when I hire someone...which is rare, I always create a detailed sketch on the computer that describes every detail and how it should be. Then, if the craftsmen in half of the cases haven't read or followed it...one can easily dispute the invoice by referring to the spec anyway...
Nowadays when I hire someone...which is rare, I always create a detailed sketch on the computer that describes every detail and how it should be. Then, if the craftsmen in half of the cases haven't read or followed it...one can easily dispute the invoice by referring to the spec anyway...
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Most of it looks pretty bad. Some details are hard to judge from the pictures if it could have been done better. But that gap against the wall, at least as it looks in the picture, you probably have to accept if the wall is uneven. Otherwise, there's a risk of perforating the molding with nail plugs so it looks like Swiss cheese. To some extent, you can avoid the gap with well-thought-out nail placement. But the most common solution is probably to fix the gap with latex sealant and a bit of paint.
In places where moldings are spliced straight, you can see that this isn't done by professionals; they should be spliced at an angle, making the joints much less noticeable.
In places where moldings are spliced straight, you can see that this isn't done by professionals; they should be spliced at an angle, making the joints much less noticeable.
Image 1 It is hardly possible for it to look better with an improperly placed valve.
Image 2 Gaps cannot be fixed; instead, soft sealant is needed because the floor is not straight.
Image 3 The small piece should be addressed as it's likely just carelessness, possibly the corner is not perfectly straight. Regarding mitre cuts, they are not typically made in corners with straight moldings since corners are never exactly 90°. If it were a profiled molding, a corner with scribing could be done if desired, but that adds to the time and must be ordered separately.
Image 4 The corner should be rounded and soft sealed against the wall.
Image 5 The joint should have been mitre cut and soft sealed against the wall and ceiling.
Image 6 Soft sealing is needed; if the molding is damaged, it should be replaced.
Generally, it's important to specify if higher quality standards are required; pre-painted moldings should be painted at least once more after installation for high-quality finishes.
Image 2 Gaps cannot be fixed; instead, soft sealant is needed because the floor is not straight.
Image 3 The small piece should be addressed as it's likely just carelessness, possibly the corner is not perfectly straight. Regarding mitre cuts, they are not typically made in corners with straight moldings since corners are never exactly 90°. If it were a profiled molding, a corner with scribing could be done if desired, but that adds to the time and must be ordered separately.
Image 4 The corner should be rounded and soft sealed against the wall.
Image 5 The joint should have been mitre cut and soft sealed against the wall and ceiling.
Image 6 Soft sealing is needed; if the molding is damaged, it should be replaced.
Generally, it's important to specify if higher quality standards are required; pre-painted moldings should be painted at least once more after installation for high-quality finishes.
Exactly, the times I use pre-painted, I apply latex caulk/putty if needed and then just do a quick coat over the whole molding, but as I said, I only pay with my own time.
At least one coat, ideally, you should sand and apply a bonding primer since it's factory painted, and then finish with a topcoat. Just doing a final coat results in a streaky appearance as the paint doesn't adhere to the factory paint but almost gives a "beading" effect, i.e., it doesn't flow evenly across the surface (a bit off-topic).cecar33 said:Image 1 It's hardly possible for it to look better with an incorrectly placed valve.
Image 2 Gaps can't be fixed without soft sealing, as the floor isn't straight.
Image 3 The small piece should be addressed as it's likely due to carelessness, probably the corner isn't completely straight. Regarding miter cutting, it's not something you do in corners with straight moldings since corners are never exactly 90°. If it had been a profiled molding, you could have, if desired, made a corner with coping, but that takes time and needs to be ordered separately.
Image 4 The corner should have been rounded and soft-sealed against the wall.
Image 5 The seam should have been miter cut and soft-sealed against the wall and ceiling.
Image 6 Soft sealing is required if the molding is damaged, it should be replaced.
In general, one specifies what quality standards one has if they are higher than standard. If that's the case, take into consideration that pre-painted moldings should be painted at least once more after installation if you have high finish requirements.
But back to the OP's question, I wouldn't consider this to be work done by a carpenter with any form of fine carpentry knowledge. Then again, one can always defend a job by saying it wasn’t ordered according to all the existing joinery solutions, meaning you as an orderer must hold a carpentry qualification. My opinion here is that the person inspecting the job, whether it was the owner of the company or not, should ask all relevant questions so that the customer is satisfied with the job. Here, a poor job was done from the start resulting in a dissatisfied customer. You can't expect an orderer to be familiar with different execution methods, so stand your ground. If they claim you didn't order according to mitering, counter by asking why they didn't inquire about the execution method.
Thanks for the good tips.cecar33 said:
But as a professional, you should tell your customer and try to find a solution. They said it could look nice...if they think this is nice, I would gladly come to their home and "beautify" it.
I will stand my ground! We had planned to paint and caulk the moldings to remove all the nail heads and marks from the gun. But it feels like the overall job just seems sloppy and thrown together. I wasn't given a chance to specify how we wanted it in detail since I only managed to speak with him for 10 minutes, and the next time I could reach him, everything was already done? It's strange they didn't even call me when they entered the apartment, and no one was home, one might think.AndersS said:But back to the original poster's question, I wouldn't consider this work done by a carpenter with any fine woodworking knowledge. One can always defend the work by saying you didn't order according to all the carpentry solutions available, meaning you as the client must have a carpentry education. My opinion here is that the person who evaluated the work, whether it was the company owner, should ask all relevant questions so that the customer is satisfied. This has been a poor job from the start, resulting in a dissatisfied customer. You can't expect a client to know various execution methods, so stand your ground. If they claim you didn't order according to mitering, then ask why they didn't question you about the execution method.
Before passing judgment on the carpenter who has been at work, please write what it came to cost. It doesn't look nice, I agree with that. But I would like to know the price of the work, it may have been a lack of time/consideration for the customer that made the carpenter take these shortcuts.
(And by consideration for the customer, I mean that it should go quickly so that the hourly rate would not be so high)
(And by consideration for the customer, I mean that it should go quickly so that the hourly rate would not be so high)
It might be that they are colored but I prefer regular plugs and loose screws that are also available colored that you can screw in and have control over how it turns out, hammering nail plugs into moldings seems violentSBH said:
There is no excuse for this bungling that takes several hours to straighten out.murbrukm said:Before passing judgment on the carpenter who has been at work, please write what it ended up costing. It doesn't look nice, I agree with that. But I would like to know the price of the work, it might have been a lack of time/consideration for the customer that made the carpenter take these shortcuts.
(And with consideration for the customer, I mean it should go quickly so that the hourly rate wouldn't be so high)
Taken from byggmax.Elkludde said:
"Nail plug is recommended when you want to make installations in more solid materials like concrete, lightweight concrete, brick, or hollow stone. With the nail plug, you can easily attach studs, skirting boards, cabinets, and kitchen furnishings. Drill through what you want to fasten and further into the wall, then drive the nail plug into place with a hammer."
