I just sat pulling my hair out over the fact that we can't use plaster. It becomes so incredibly much more expensive than having wood (lockläckt list panel). I called around to quite a few plasterers in Stockholm and the cheapest I found was 1050:-/sqm facade area. It gets very expensive for us .. 280sqm facade area (you don't deduct windows here) * 1050:-. The deduction for the wood panel was 60,000, so the difference of 230,000 I think is way too much.
But why build a wooden frame???
If you want a plastered facade anyway, why mix in organic material in the wall??
Buy ready-made concrete walls, plaster the surface (concrete), will never fall off, easy to erect (1 1/2 days) and very economical. (1400 SEK/m2 including insulation and metal stud)
If you want a plastered facade anyway, why mix in organic material in the wall??
Buy ready-made concrete walls, plaster the surface (concrete), will never fall off, easy to erect (1 1/2 days) and very economical. (1400 SEK/m2 including insulation and metal stud)
It is not much more expensive to build with plastered concrete blocks than wooden houses.
The difference for our house was 50000kr. We didn't think it was too much to have a maintenance-free house ;D
I don't quite understand why everyone talks about plastering a wooden house with styrofoam and netting as a base when there are much better and more durable solutions today to get a wooden house with plaster ???
The difference for our house was 50000kr. We didn't think it was too much to have a maintenance-free house ;D
I don't quite understand why everyone talks about plastering a wooden house with styrofoam and netting as a base when there are much better and more durable solutions today to get a wooden house with plaster ???
Sweli:
I don't really understand...
Do you mean that your house cost 50,000 SEK more with concrete blocks + plaster for the whole house compared to wood + plaster on insulation foam or what?
The thread was presumably about plastered facade or wooden facade... not concrete with plaster vs wooden frame (insulation foam) with plaster? Otherwise, I misunderstood the thread hehe
Getting the facade plastered regardless of the substrate is quite expensive, according to what I've found after some round calls to masons. They charged 1050 SEK/sqm... and if you have 250 sqm of facade area, that's about 260,000 extra for plaster... and if you add your 50,000 to avoid insulation foam, you're past 300,000... I think that's quite expensive
But maybe I misunderstood what you meant???
I don't really understand...
Do you mean that your house cost 50,000 SEK more with concrete blocks + plaster for the whole house compared to wood + plaster on insulation foam or what?
The thread was presumably about plastered facade or wooden facade... not concrete with plaster vs wooden frame (insulation foam) with plaster? Otherwise, I misunderstood the thread hehe
Getting the facade plastered regardless of the substrate is quite expensive, according to what I've found after some round calls to masons. They charged 1050 SEK/sqm... and if you have 250 sqm of facade area, that's about 260,000 extra for plaster... and if you add your 50,000 to avoid insulation foam, you're past 300,000... I think that's quite expensive
But maybe I misunderstood what you meant???
What we compared was houses with wooden panel versus already plastered concrete blocks!M@ZE said:Sweli:
I don't really understand...
Do you mean that your house cost 50,000 SEK more with concrete blocks + plaster for the entire house compared to wood + plaster on styrofoam or what?
The thread was meant to discuss plastered facades or wooden facades, not concrete with plaster vs. wooden frame (styrofoam) with plaster ? Otherwise, I have misunderstood the thread hehe
Getting the facade plastered, regardless of the base, is quite expensive based on calls I've made to masons. They charged 1050 SEK/sqm, and if you have a 250 sqm facade area, it amounts to about 260,000 extra for plastering. Adding your 50,000 to avoid styrofoam, you're over 300,000... I think that's pretty expensive
But maybe I misunderstood what you meant ???
You don't need to plaster again :-/
These blocks come from the concrete factory already plastered, with insulation and wooden battens. The only thing you need to do is put drywall on the inside.
You can see on our website how they look and how to assemble them, picture by picture.
You can also see how the dormers are built and how Masterfacade looks.
I can't imagine masons charging 1000 SEK/sqm just to spray plaster on a wall. Then I would feel completely fooled :-/
You should not add the price you got "my" 50,000, it is "instead" of your 260,000 SEK.
I have said it before but will say it again:
I don't understand why so many talk about wooden facade with styrofoam and chicken wire + plaster when there are today better, more modern, and cheaper ways to get a wooden house with plaster.
If you plaster a house using the old method, you can't screw or nail anything to the wall because the plaster will crack. With Masterfacade, you can screw without the plaster getting damaged.
The entire ground floor of our house is concrete blocks (whole wall) already plastered, we just need to paint.
We initially thought we would also make the dormers in the roof from concrete blocks.
The construction would have been difficult to execute, and we could only have the front of the dormers in concrete blocks, the sides in wood.
We then chose to have the dormers in wood with a Masterfacade panel, which is a mineral board containing 50% concrete. The board can be painted or plastered with Optiroc's plaster directly on.
The Masterfacade board cost 215 SEK/sqm.
The wooden construction with Masterfacade was a bit cheaper than concrete blocks and easier to assemble.
Due to the weight, it would have been difficult to place the concrete blocks.
The foundation guys charged (if I remember correctly) 25,000 SEK excluding VAT, to set up all the concrete walls around the house.
Then we had another group of craftsmen who made the roof with the dormers. It was an advantage not to have the dormers in concrete.
Summary: I compared a wooden house with wooden panel to already plastered concrete blocks ;D
Here I found info about what to use to plaster on Masterfacade
SERPOSOL
A plastering system with many applications, for new construction and replastering both externally and internally on most substrates. For replastering, the old plaster must be of at least strength class C. Should not be used on facades plastered with lime mortar. The plaster is water-repellent, making it especially suitable in areas with heavy rain. Suitable also for plinths and internally on basement walls. The plaster's good adhesion makes it possible to use indoors on gypsum boards, wood fiber boards, etc. However, priming of the boards should be done with OPTIROC adhesive. It is also suitable on a stud frame clad with Masterfacade board.
KC Color, Silicate Paint.
http://www.optiroc.se/pdf/SERPO Fasadsystem 6-11.pdf
SERPOSOL
A plastering system with many applications, for new construction and replastering both externally and internally on most substrates. For replastering, the old plaster must be of at least strength class C. Should not be used on facades plastered with lime mortar. The plaster is water-repellent, making it especially suitable in areas with heavy rain. Suitable also for plinths and internally on basement walls. The plaster's good adhesion makes it possible to use indoors on gypsum boards, wood fiber boards, etc. However, priming of the boards should be done with OPTIROC adhesive. It is also suitable on a stud frame clad with Masterfacade board.
KC Color, Silicate Paint.
http://www.optiroc.se/pdf/SERPO Fasadsystem 6-11.pdf
Sweli wrote:
I have said it before but I'll say it again:
I don't understand why so many talk about wood facade with styrofoam and chicken wire + plaster when there are better, more modern, and cheaper ways to get a wooden house with plaster today.
Maybe because it's often the method offered by the house manufacturer. Not sure how open they are to doing another variant, anyone knows? To plaster a house with colored plaster costs under 100kkr. I can imagine that alternative variants become more expensive. Anyone know? Brick, how expensive is it?
I have said it before but I'll say it again:
I don't understand why so many talk about wood facade with styrofoam and chicken wire + plaster when there are better, more modern, and cheaper ways to get a wooden house with plaster today.
Maybe because it's often the method offered by the house manufacturer. Not sure how open they are to doing another variant, anyone knows? To plaster a house with colored plaster costs under 100kkr. I can imagine that alternative variants become more expensive. Anyone know? Brick, how expensive is it?
The material cost per square is about 300 kr. (if you plaster like we did). The other 700 is labor and commission. Not entirely unreasonable when you consider how many hours it takes to plaster a house... But around 800 you should be able to get if you take the service from "landet"...
Yes, I can agree to that, but 800:-/sqm and 100,000 as Framerate mentioned implies a facade area of 125 sqm .. I would hardly call that a house, more like a small summer cottage maybe.
If anyone finds someone who will plaster our house for 100,000, call me immediately .. because that is 1/3 of the price I've been quoted.
If anyone finds someone who will plaster our house for 100,000, call me immediately .. because that is 1/3 of the price I've been quoted.
Summer cottage? I don't know what frame of reference you have, but our house has 188 sqm facade area - a two-story. If you go for a 1.5-story with a gambrel roof, you will lose approximately 40 square meters on the long sides and over 10 on the short sides, I would guess.