If it's a factor that someone might not understand that the pipe insulation is asbestos-contaminated, solve it by buying an engraved sign with the text "Insulation asbestos" and attach it to the pipes with wire:Rejäl said:
https://skyltmax.se/skyltar/marksky...wpCDGWpwqkQ2ilEABABI06oXSbQ6xlwhoCxF8QAvD_BwE
It's exactly the same conditions as now, an old house with potential asbestos in pipe insulation, so the same action is required anyway.Rejäl said:
Removing a fully functioning insulation and releasing asbestos fibers just "because" doesn't feel justified, no one is exposed to any risk if you just leave it alone.
Someone might arguably be considered a large part of our population…Claes Sörmland said:
I think the opposite, that asbestos phobia is very widespread.Rejäl said:
Yes, the phobia is widespread, but the knowledge of where and in which materials it is found is not extensive.
Maybe you're right, but it's an empirical question so we will never get an answer. I recommend repairing the insulation of the pipes and a sign. Or removing the mess, but then there will be more asbestos spread.Rejäl said:
It is up to the owner to decide whether the insulation should be removed or covered. As mentioned, there's a greater "risk" if it is removed. How do you assess the risk of entering a room like TS's where the insulation has looked this way for, say, +30 years?Rejäl said:
Remediation is probably the sensible thing to do in these situations..Jonatan79 said:
Don't you agree?
Isn't it more reasonable to sanitize the day the heating system is to be replaced? Better economy and risk management in that and the usual solution regarding asbestos.Rejäl said:
Absolutely, if no one is going to make interventions in these pipes before then.
Risk management doesn't necessarily improve if the heating system is replaced, does it?
It only includes a procurement and hopefully then a more established firm. This is an industry that deals with "asbestos removal" with many unscrupulous actors. It must be taken into account in a risk assessment that, as a consumer, you simply get deceived and asbestos spreads.Rejäl said:
But the risk assessment starts with the builder in this case TS even if they are a novice. TS can outsource their Bas-P responsibility when they procure a contractor who usually only has the Bas-U responsibility. But these do not become better or worse regardless of the size of the job if all parties manage their commitments...
Now you're taking it to the extreme. In this case, it's confirmed that there is asbestos, then it MUST be handled by trained personnel if someone is going there to perform work professionally. It can't be circumvented. One can think whatever they want about it, but that's how it is.
A private individual may clean up themselves, but since they are not trained, they also cannot certify that it is done correctly, even if it is performed according to all the rules.
What I mean is that if you know that a layperson has been tearing down asbestos, there may be suspicion of larger amounts spreading, which means a professional can't work there until the matter is resolved.
Had a "gubbe" from a remediation company at home today to look at the "problem areas" and he thought I should paint over what's exposed. See photo. For the other pipe that's behind the heating system, he suggested I use foam sealant to seal it... sounds reasonable, but since I've never done this before, I feel a bit anxious. How much foam can you spray in without the existing insulation bursting?
he said, just like someone else in the thread, that the municipality can't possibly require an authorized firm to do the work... after all, as the homeowner, I decide...
The "remediation gubbe" said I could fill in the checklist for the actions taken myself. If it wasn't approved, they would come and take an asbestos test. He wasn't worried, but thought I could handle what was needed at a significantly lower cost. He also confirmed that the person who was supposed to perform the meter replacement is notorious and has caused several of the remediation companies here in town to refuse the job... Any tips?
he said, just like someone else in the thread, that the municipality can't possibly require an authorized firm to do the work... after all, as the homeowner, I decide...
The "remediation gubbe" said I could fill in the checklist for the actions taken myself. If it wasn't approved, they would come and take an asbestos test. He wasn't worried, but thought I could handle what was needed at a significantly lower cost. He also confirmed that the person who was supposed to perform the meter replacement is notorious and has caused several of the remediation companies here in town to refuse the job... Any tips?
No, you are also misunderstanding my answer.D Dilato said:
If there is suspicion, the matter should be investigated. A risk assessment should always be done.
One may conclude that no remediation is needed.
Why they require it in this case, I have no insight. Maybe they need to change something with the pipes, or something that could release what's loose.
Personally, I have no problem working where the insulation remains nicely on the pipes if I don't need to make any impact on it.
But if I come out and see the customer tearing it off so it flies around, I would turn around at the door.