I am just like you, especially when I'm doing it myself.
But my partner said something good: "Life is too short to cut perfect moldings in the storage room."
And that is true. I think you are doing the right thing, check some references and make sure the paperwork looks correct. Also, make sure you get a contractor form filled out. Mention that you will bring in an inspector after the work is done.
If the company can handle all that, they should be serious.
Explain that you are meticulous and would like to have a discussion if they themselves see any problems.
Let them work undisturbed and lower your expectations for the final result. After your checks and reference checks, the final result should be good enough that no one notices when they visit you.
Good luck!
But my partner said something good: "Life is too short to cut perfect moldings in the storage room."
And that is true. I think you are doing the right thing, check some references and make sure the paperwork looks correct. Also, make sure you get a contractor form filled out. Mention that you will bring in an inspector after the work is done.
If the company can handle all that, they should be serious.
Explain that you are meticulous and would like to have a discussion if they themselves see any problems.
Let them work undisturbed and lower your expectations for the final result. After your checks and reference checks, the final result should be good enough that no one notices when they visit you.
Good luck!
Thank you
what is a hantverkarformulär?
what is a hantverkarformulär?
In "real" procurements, as mentioned, people usually refer to AMA or have their own document that replaces or complements the relevant section - it's usually an AF (administrative regulations) I believe. Not too familiar with that part, typically just see some chapter references in the documents (drawings) that cross my desk.
Dreading the same thing in the future, I'm exactly the same way
Dreading the same thing in the future, I'm exactly the same way
The risk if you choose perhaps the most recommended craftsman, who always gets assignments, is that he suddenly doesn't have time, despite doing a good job, to avoid a lot of hassle. On the other hand, the less diligent one might say yes to all your claims. A hypothesis, but the company we hired, where I got to know the owner, expressed it this way on one occasion. They usually have six months booked with work.
Yeah, I know, it's a balancing act.
I'm not really in a rush to get things done so I can wait, but I think most craftsmen shy away from working for a chatty, well-read, petemeter with their own contract that references everything under the sun (hus-ama, bkr, säker vatten, etc). Who also hangs out on a forum where very few jobs that get scrutinized by the crowd on the forum get approved. The last part shouldn't be taken too seriously, of course.
As I said, a balancing act.
I'm not really in a rush to get things done so I can wait, but I think most craftsmen shy away from working for a chatty, well-read, petemeter with their own contract that references everything under the sun (hus-ama, bkr, säker vatten, etc). Who also hangs out on a forum where very few jobs that get scrutinized by the crowd on the forum get approved. The last part shouldn't be taken too seriously, of course.
As I said, a balancing act.
First of all, I want to say of course you should get help. There's no reason to spend all your free time building. I'm a carpenter myself and know where you need to put in that little extra effort, e.g. window/door installation, kitchen moldings, etc. Of course, you want to make the customer happy! What you should keep in mind is what is often repeated: get multiple quotes, listen around if you know someone who has had someone they can recommend. Don't just go by prices because then you get what you pay for, it's as simple as that. Never pay in advance. A company that requires advance payment is just one to say no to. Good luck.
Hantverkarformuläret is a contract template developed by the Swedish Consumer Agency and trade organizations. It is a good contract when private individuals hire craftsmen.D Derbyboy said:
https://publikationer.konsumentverk...kstjanster/bo-2017-03-hantverkarformularet-17
A bit off topic, but when I worked at an interior joinery once upon a time, we had an insanely picky CNC guy. You could hear him bellowing out loud - "What kind of damn fool of a supplier provided these MDF boards? One is 15.96mm and the next is 16.04mm, everything is going to turn to crap"
Know-It-All
· Östergötland
· 4 362 posts
I would tell you not to have too high expectations. Unfortunately.
I hired painters for the interior painting of my house construction because I didn't have the time to paint myself and wanted a really nice finish in our new house.
The result was mixed. I have done quite a bit of painting before when renovating our previous house, and honestly, what I painted generally held a higher standard even though I'm an amateur. When they wanted extra payment for making it look good, I refused. I had planned to use them for the final coat outside as well but decided to do it myself after this.
It should be added that they were much faster than I am. When I paint, I often go back several times to touch up and spend a lot of time masking carefully.
I had higher thoughts about painters. Is there no professional pride?
(It should also be noted that I did not choose the cheapest quote and they had several good references)
I hired painters for the interior painting of my house construction because I didn't have the time to paint myself and wanted a really nice finish in our new house.
The result was mixed. I have done quite a bit of painting before when renovating our previous house, and honestly, what I painted generally held a higher standard even though I'm an amateur. When they wanted extra payment for making it look good, I refused. I had planned to use them for the final coat outside as well but decided to do it myself after this.
It should be added that they were much faster than I am. When I paint, I often go back several times to touch up and spend a lot of time masking carefully.
I had higher thoughts about painters. Is there no professional pride?
(It should also be noted that I did not choose the cheapest quote and they had several good references)
Tool enthusiast
· Estocolmo
· 1 056 posts
As a business owner, I usually tell people who are about to redo their roof (mostly metal), to get 5-6 quotes. Remove the cheapest and the most expensive, then go with the one that feels best. Often you can quickly tell if it will work or not with the contractor. ALWAYS check what they have done before. Since you are a meticulous and thorough customer according to yourself, you make it easier for both you and the contractor by making a long list of how you want it, as detailed as possible. I had a customer once who wanted a new roof on 120 sqm, he had made 11 pages of information and wanted prices on 54 different steps. Nothing came of that customer, it should be noted. Good luck and don't pay anything in advance.
Moreover, it should be known that AMA is not particularly strict when it comes to the finish of work; it allows for quite a few "misses." It is mostly intended for larger constructions where precision is not as crucial. I am a craftsman myself and would never claim that anything I've done meets AMA's standards because that level is way too low. The customers would flee like the plague...
If you prepare correct construction documents and involve an inspector both for inspection and as a consultant to help with the paperwork, it can go well. But finding good craftsmen is difficult, take your time.
We are in the final phase of a major renovation of the kitchen, bathroom, laundry room, and hall. It would have gone to hell if we hadn't done as I described.
For us, the penalty is ticking, and soon it will be time for the second re-inspection.
It will be great at home, but the road there has been dreadful. Sloppiness and lack of knowledge among the builders.
Our construction descriptions include ama codes and references to bkr, etc.
Another alternative mentioned earlier is to be on-site yourself and build with someone you trust. But for wet rooms, always inspection in my opinion.
Good luck!
We are in the final phase of a major renovation of the kitchen, bathroom, laundry room, and hall. It would have gone to hell if we hadn't done as I described.
For us, the penalty is ticking, and soon it will be time for the second re-inspection.
It will be great at home, but the road there has been dreadful. Sloppiness and lack of knowledge among the builders.
Our construction descriptions include ama codes and references to bkr, etc.
Another alternative mentioned earlier is to be on-site yourself and build with someone you trust. But for wet rooms, always inspection in my opinion.
Good luck!
Know-It-All
· Östergötland
· 4 362 posts
I think a large part of the problems with the level of some craftsmen is economy and time. Partly, it is difficult to get enough hours to do a really fine job with the current hourly rates, and partly, when you do good work, you easily get too much work and have difficulty keeping up.
Thanks for all the input.
Should I go with a running account or a fixed price for everything I want done?
What I want done is
drywall 5 rooms
New ceilings
New window and patio door
New floors
Bathroom
Kitchen
Should I go with a running account or a fixed price for everything I want done?
What I want done is
drywall 5 rooms
New ceilings
New window and patio door
New floors
Bathroom
Kitchen