I have a new and an old swing that are next to each other on a frame.

The new swing has ropes attached to a plastic bracket, which in turn attaches to the frame.

The old swing only has rope. The children swing crookedly on it, and I want to find a better solution.

Either I buy separate plastic brackets for it, if they're available. Alternatively, I'm thinking I could make knots to create two separate loops, but I'm not sure if there's a knot that is safe.

What would you do?

See photos.
 
  • Old swing with rope knot and new swing with plastic brick attached to a metal frame, set against a backdrop of green trees and a red wooden shed.
  • Close-up of a swing attachment with a metal hook and a black plastic bracket securing a rope, set against a background of trees and sky.
tommib
You can make double knots in the middle of the line, but they will shorten it a bit. Can't you just replace the rope?

There are several simple knots for making a loop in the middle of a line without access to the ends. One I learned was called an "alpine butterfly," but when you google it, a completely different knot comes up. I'm not quite sure how to explain it, unfortunately, but I can try.

You pinch the rope into a loop, twist it twice, and pass the loop through what you've twisted.

That's totally incomprehensible... Here's what it looks like anyway....
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I can cut the rope - it's enough anyway. So a loop with access to one end of the rope is fine. Do you know any such knot that is secure?
 
tommib
Yes, then I would make a regular bowline. However, it will wear on the rope when children swing, so the correct way to do it is to splice in a thimble. If you don't want to splice, you can use wire clamps for the rope (in a thicker dimension than what Biltema sells).

You should also be able to buy such plastic washers somewhere, I don't get anything when I quickly google but a more determined search will surely find them.
 
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The ropes start at different heights on the left swing, so it's clear that it swings crooked. With equally long ropes in the loops or a loop between them that isn't tight, it will probably work better.
 
tommib tommib said:
Yes, I would just make a regular bowline. However, it will wear on the rope when the children swing, so the correct way to do it is to splice in a thimble
No, since the ropes hang in wire loops, the ropes aren't worn in the knot.

So I would just as well make two double overhand knots on the existing rope, without cutting.
And leave the rope slack between the suspension hooks, so the load on the hooks is only vertical.
dubbel-overhandsknop.jpg
http://www.morlandascoutkar.se/scoutfakta/knopar/dubbel-overhandsknop/
Schematic illustration of a rope hanging in wire loops, showing a setup with double overhand knots and slack between mounting hooks.
//Old Sea Scout, the Shark patrol in Gothenburg/Brännö
 
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I think the rope looks very worn, probably degraded by years in sunlight. Throw it away and buy a new one. Think about the children's safety. The suspension on both hooks should look the same, then the children will stop swinging crookedly. And use separate fastenings without cross ropes.
 
tommib
The rope will definitely wear in the loop. Whether that's a problem depends on how often TS's child swings there.
 
tommib tommib said:
The rope will definitely wear out in the loop. If it's a problem depends on how often TS's child swings there.
No, why would it wear out?
Rope loop tied to an S-shaped steel wire fitting, hanging freely on a pipe with greenery in the background.
You can see that the rope loop hangs on an S-shaped wire bracket, which moves freely.

Moreover, if one is concerned, one can wrap the rope two times around the wire in the S.

T Thomas_Blekinge said:
I think the rope looks very worn, probably degraded by years in sunlight. Throw it away and buy a new one. Think about the children's safety.
And I think the line doesn't look particularly worn at all!
 
For once, I have to state that old is the oldest and old sea scout is older. :)
 
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tommib
Oh yes, I see the fitting.

I base my statement on a similar construction we have in the countryside, where you can clearly see that the rope has worn against the fitting. Children tend not to swing just straight and nicely, and I suspect this causes small movements between the rope and the fitting that wear down the rope. However, the process is slow and in TS's case, it would surely take many, many years before the rope is worn down enough to become a problem.
 
GK100 GK100 said:
For once, I have to say that old is oldest and old sea scout is older. :)
Thanks! And I was even a patrol leader :)

OT:
We had a lot of fun at the summer camps on Brännö, especially after I became a "seniorscout" at the age of 15.
Sailing and swimming during the day. And then when the juniors had gone to bed in their tents,
we took the bohusjullarna and sailed around to Brännö Husvik, where there was a pier dance; you know "Dans På Brännö Brygga"
.
Then we sailed home in the last of the night breeze as the morning dawned :)
 
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Chaly Chaly said:
To keep the tradition of always recommending top-of-the-line solutions alive on this forum, I suggest these swing joints! :D
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Yes, and ideally you shouldn't have rope for the swings but chain, preferably stainless.
Better safe than sorry :cool:
 
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