Hello!

I discovered that the carpenter placed the gypsum board joint over the plywood board joint on one of the bathroom walls right by the shower. The plywood is 15mm K20/70 900mm, gypsum board 900mm, studs 450cc. A waterproof membrane will be applied and then tiled. The plywood is screwed into the stud and the gypsum is screwed with screws going 15mm into the stud. Is it a problem to have joint over joint? (It's an old house from the 70s, so I assume the house/walls don't move as much as in new construction).
 
According to säkervatten, the boards should be installed with staggered joints.
 
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G Graphite said:
Hello!

I discovered that the carpenter placed the drywall joint over the plywood joint on one of the bathroom walls right at the shower. The plywood is 15mm K20/70 900mm, the drywall is 900mm, studs 450cc. A foil barrier will be applied and then tiled. The plywood is screwed into the stud, and the drywall is screwed with screws that go 15mm into the stud. Is it a problem to have joint over joint? (It's an old house from the '70s, so I assume the house/walls don't move as much as in new construction.)
Redo. Do it right. No main joints in the shower, please. Nowhere else either. A proper carpenter should know that.

Hope the plywood is screwed with the right screws…
 
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Krille-72 Krille-72 said:
Redo it. Do it right. No general couplings in the shower, please. Nowhere else either. A proper carpenter should reasonably know that.

Hope the plywood is screwed with the right screw...
Yes, that's probably best. However, the drywall seam ends up between the hot and cold pipe exit for the shower mixer if you lay the drywall in the other direction. Since the mixer should be mounted in the middle of a stud. Maybe not optimal either?

The plywood is secured with Chipboard screw 4.2x41mm FZB screw.
 
G Graphite said:
Yes, that might be best. However, the gypsum joint ends up between the hot and cold pipe exits for the shower mixer if the gypsum is placed the other way. Since the mixer should sit centered on a stud. Maybe not optimal either?

The plywood is screwed with Particle Board Screw 4.2x41mm FZB screw.
No general joints between plywood and gypsum. It's really not more complicated than that.

"Since the mixer should sit centered on a stud"

I don't quite understand what the mixer has to do with plywood/gypsum?

If you've installed a nogging piece for a mixer as an extra precaution, then it's probably a horizontal stud? This stud isn't necessary but certainly not wrong.

If you mean you don't want a vertical gypsum joint between cold and hot in the shower, you can relax.
No general joints as mentioned. That's the most important thing.
 
According to Säker Vatten, the joints should be centered and screwed onto studs. So both plywood and gypsum, but offset by one stud (450mm) then.
 
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Krille-72 Krille-72 said:
No joints between plywood and drywall. It's not more complicated than that.

"Since the mixer is supposed to be mounted in the middle of a stud”

I don't really understand what the mixer has to do with plywood/drywall?

If you're bracing for a mixer as an extra precaution, then it's probably a horizontal stud? This stud isn't needed but certainly isn't wrong.

If you mean that you don't want a vertical drywall joint between cold and hot in the shower, you can relax.
No joints, as I said. That's the most important thing.
Exactly, I meant a vertical drywall joint between cold and hot. Ok, then that's what I'll do.
 
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G Gabbe1 said:
According to Säker Vatten, joints should be centered and screwed to a stud. So both plywood and drywall, but offset one stud (450mm) then.
Maybe ridiculous but still important to clarify what applies.

From Säker Vatten:
"Boards are screwed according to the manufacturer's installation instructions. When screwing plywood to steel studs, screws with release/free clearance should be used. Incorrect type of screw or screw sequence can cause buckling of the board against the stud."

The so-called "Wet Room Wall" is approved by all industry organizations involved in wet rooms. This means that no single industry dictates how the wall should be constructed.

The important part in the text above is actually the screw mentioned against steel studs. It’s the free clearance that is important and should apply even to wooden studs. Maybe there is a text about it on the manufacturers’ websites?

We have been using wood screws for a long time with sufficient clearance for wet room plywood. Many use chipboard screws but we believe the head is too small to ensure the board is truly pulled in against the stud.

As for both drywall and plywood being screwed into the stud, I say hmm.

If the plywood board is attached properly, then it is only for fire considerations that this matters.

Anyone with other information is welcome to teach me something new!
 
My tiler used horizontal plywood and vertical plasterboard. It turned out very sturdy.
 
Viktor.J Viktor.J said:
My tiler went with horizontal plywood and vertical plasterboard. It turned out very sturdy.
Nothing unusual. However, some are careless with noggins between the studs and let the plasterboard pull the plywood together. It becomes too weak even if it is framed 45cc.

But with some strips of plywood or whatever you have available, it turns out great!
 
A related question concerning Säkert Vatten Vägg.
Is it OK with double gypsum according to Säkert Vatten?
 
G Graphite said:
A related question regarding Safe Water Wall. Is double gypsum board OK according to safe water?
Yes.
Until you start screwing things. Then you need to have a noggin precisely everywhere something needs to be screwed.

In addition to 15 mm k Plyfa stabilizing the wall, the entire wall is seen as one large noggin where secure attachments can be made.
 
Krille-72 Krille-72 said:
Yes.
Until you start mounting things. Then you need to have a nogging wherever something needs to be mounted.

Besides, 15 mm k Plyfa stabilizes the wall so the entire wall is seen as one large nogging where secure fixings can be made.
Sorry, poorly phrased question by me. I meant if it's okay with a wall where everything is according to safe water with 15mm plywood etc., but with the only difference being double layers of gypsum instead of one? For example, if you want to soundproof the bathroom or for fire protection.
 
G Graphite said:
Sorry, poorly worded question on my part. I meant if it's okay with a wall where everything is according to "säkert vatten" with 15mm plywood, etc., but with the only difference being double layers of gypsum instead of one? For example, if you want to soundproof the bathroom or for fire protection.
No problem. You get a more stable wall as a bonus.
 
Krille-72 Krille-72 said:
Nothing unusual. However, some are careless with noggings between the studs and let the drywall pull the plywood together. It becomes way too weak even if it is studded 45cc.

But with some plywood strips or whatever is available, it works great!
Went CC30 with 45X95 :)
 
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