Approximate was the word... The only ones I know of that have grooved particle boards for underfloor heating are Wirsbo (owned by Uponor). The tricky part is that the boards are for 17 mm pipes and Wirsbo's 17 mm systems are not sold, as far as I can find, directly to consumers. You have to buy the items through your plumber, and the price depends on the wholesale price (which no one wants to talk about), what discount the plumber gets from the wholesaler, and how much markup the plumber adds.
The only way to get a real sense of what it might cost is to get quotes from a few different plumbers.
This applies not only to the grooved boards themselves but also to the special plates for them (6 pcs/board are needed), turning boards (where the plate is included, already mounted), and the 17 mm pipes themselves.
A small possible indication of what it might cost through a plumber, and I can't even say if it's a good or bad price, is the following (excluding VAT):
Underfloor heating particle board 17 2400 x 600 approximately 400:-
Underfloor heating plate 17 around 50:-
Turning board 17 with plate 600 x 400 just over 250:-
17 mm pipe, 120 m roll about 3500:-
So the conclusion is - if you're going with Wirsbo, I recommend buying their 20 mm pipes and plates from Rinkaby and laying them in sparse paneling.
The only way to get a real sense of what it might cost is to get quotes from a few different plumbers.
This applies not only to the grooved boards themselves but also to the special plates for them (6 pcs/board are needed), turning boards (where the plate is included, already mounted), and the 17 mm pipes themselves.
A small possible indication of what it might cost through a plumber, and I can't even say if it's a good or bad price, is the following (excluding VAT):
Underfloor heating particle board 17 2400 x 600 approximately 400:-
Underfloor heating plate 17 around 50:-
Turning board 17 with plate 600 x 400 just over 250:-
17 mm pipe, 120 m roll about 3500:-
So the conclusion is - if you're going with Wirsbo, I recommend buying their 20 mm pipes and plates from Rinkaby and laying them in sparse paneling.
Wirsbo tracked board 319.64 http://www.dinvvsbutik.se/spanskiva-2400x600x22-p-2418544.html
LK tracked board 214.33 http://www.dinvvsbutik.se/sparskiva-16mm-p-2418071.html
The tip is to check each manufacturer for what you want (I know, it can be difficult if you don't know what it's called), then you can find the RSK number. Then search at, for example, Dinvvsbutik with that number.
Here are LK's floor heating products, http://www.lagerstedt-krantz.se/index.php?id=335
Here is Wirsbo's product page http://katalog.uponornordic.com/open/start.asp
I personally prefer LK's site because you can download a PDF with the products, making it faster when you want to jump back and forth among the items. If anyone has figured out how to get a PDF from Wirsbo, let me know.
LK tracked board 214.33 http://www.dinvvsbutik.se/sparskiva-16mm-p-2418071.html
The tip is to check each manufacturer for what you want (I know, it can be difficult if you don't know what it's called), then you can find the RSK number. Then search at, for example, Dinvvsbutik with that number.
Here are LK's floor heating products, http://www.lagerstedt-krantz.se/index.php?id=335
Here is Wirsbo's product page http://katalog.uponornordic.com/open/start.asp
I personally prefer LK's site because you can download a PDF with the products, making it faster when you want to jump back and forth among the items. If anyone has figured out how to get a PDF from Wirsbo, let me know.
Hello,
I was planning to groove the tracks myself in Byggmax chipboard for 69.40:-/m2.
According to their customer service, the quality classification is EN 13986 P6, and most underfloor heating manufacturers specify that their boards are of quality v20. Does anyone know if these two are comparable?
I was planning to groove the tracks myself in Byggmax chipboard for 69.40:-/m2.
According to their customer service, the quality classification is EN 13986 P6, and most underfloor heating manufacturers specify that their boards are of quality v20. Does anyone know if these two are comparable?
AndersS: It looks like the glesen is placed directly on the floor joists. How did you handle the bends in the underfloor heating? Double floor joists?
Lymmeln: I would probably take a look at how AndersS has done it and think both once and twice about how long it takes to groove a couple of hundred meters of particleboard.
Lymmeln: I would probably take a look at how AndersS has done it and think both once and twice about how long it takes to groove a couple of hundred meters of particleboard.
Spikers_Corner: These appear to be PDFs from Uponor http://www.uponor.se/Templates/DynamicFileListing.aspx?id=2084
I was unclear, it is a product list in PDF I am searching for. If you check the LK link, you will see what I mean. I haven't found any such on the page you linked to, either now or earlier.Lymmeln said:
There should be a thread somewhere, perhaps under Heating or VVS, where someone has done it themselves.
That's correct, they are directly on. Unfortunately, I don't have a good picture of this on this computer, but the glesen is scored/cut out for the curves, no issues. I'll see if I can find a picture of it.Karl_Malmqvist said:
On top of underfloor heating, I place upside-down gypsum, 120x240. Then I lay jap parquet on top. In the old house, I laid wooden flooring directly on the plates (and plastic).
www.vvs-boden.se sells both 17mm hoses and chipboards. Better prices than dinvvsbutik.se too.
But it's expensive no matter what, I've calculated back and forth on various solutions with battens or chipboards for 45 m2 in an extension and I didn't think it was worth all the work with the battens for what you save. The plates are just as expensive anyway. However, I'm planning to mill the bends myself instead of buying turnplates.
http://www.vvs-boden.se/catalog/index.php?cPath=24_178_869_481
But it's expensive no matter what, I've calculated back and forth on various solutions with battens or chipboards for 45 m2 in an extension and I didn't think it was worth all the work with the battens for what you save. The plates are just as expensive anyway. However, I'm planning to mill the bends myself instead of buying turnplates.
http://www.vvs-boden.se/catalog/index.php?cPath=24_178_869_481
Do you mean that there is more work with glespanel than with particle boards?
To all of you considering underfloor heating but wondering how it might work with wooden flooring, check out wall heating instead.
Best combined with clay plastering (it provides a gentle, even heat from coils in the lower part of the wall).
No radiators. Arrange your furniture as you like - but feel free to place the furniture a few centimeters from the wall. When you want to warm up, move a little closer to the wall...
Apparently common in Germany, the Netherlands, and other countries.
Best combined with clay plastering (it provides a gentle, even heat from coils in the lower part of the wall).
No radiators. Arrange your furniture as you like - but feel free to place the furniture a few centimeters from the wall. When you want to warm up, move a little closer to the wall...
Apparently common in Germany, the Netherlands, and other countries.