Hello!
We are currently in the process of renovating an old barn. Right now we are working on the half that will become a stable. The floor is to be poured on Monday, and then new exterior walls will be erected as the old ones are too damaged. We are pouring the slab all the way to the edges with edge reinforcement, and the roof is currently propped up on poles.
I need help deciding how the walls should be constructed. Insulation or not? We have Icelandic horses that usually stay outside even during winter and grow a thick coat, so I don't think we will insulate the walls.
I will lay a foundation on the slab, planning for it to be 2 stones high. I have my own proposal for the walls:
Foundation built with 150mm stone. 45x145 structural timber + 45x45 horizontal. Rockwool wind barrier is mounted between the frame timber and the 45x45 battens.
150mm stone + plaster on both sides = 170mm
145+45 mm timber = 190 mm
air gap between wall panel and foundation = 20mm
Inside clad with plywood 120 cm high from the floor and the rest horizontal wood paneling.
It feels like the placement of the wind barrier is a little unconventional, you can't really put it directly behind the panel, can you? The panel will be painted with red paint so it can air outwards but it still feels good to have an air gap behind...
Anyway, all opinions and ideas are gratefully received!
Best regards, Lucke
We are currently in the process of renovating an old barn. Right now we are working on the half that will become a stable. The floor is to be poured on Monday, and then new exterior walls will be erected as the old ones are too damaged. We are pouring the slab all the way to the edges with edge reinforcement, and the roof is currently propped up on poles.
I need help deciding how the walls should be constructed. Insulation or not? We have Icelandic horses that usually stay outside even during winter and grow a thick coat, so I don't think we will insulate the walls.
I will lay a foundation on the slab, planning for it to be 2 stones high. I have my own proposal for the walls:
Foundation built with 150mm stone. 45x145 structural timber + 45x45 horizontal. Rockwool wind barrier is mounted between the frame timber and the 45x45 battens.
150mm stone + plaster on both sides = 170mm
145+45 mm timber = 190 mm
air gap between wall panel and foundation = 20mm
Inside clad with plywood 120 cm high from the floor and the rest horizontal wood paneling.
It feels like the placement of the wind barrier is a little unconventional, you can't really put it directly behind the panel, can you? The panel will be painted with red paint so it can air outwards but it still feels good to have an air gap behind...
Anyway, all opinions and ideas are gratefully received!
Best regards, Lucke
Yes, horses don't just put out "burned food at the back" 
Where our horse is "parked," there are box walls of 45x145. The timber is nailed on the inside of the box wall; otherwise, the horses kick them off, and nails & screws go flying.
But Icelandic horses might be nicer ???
Initially, it was "plyfa" from the box manufacturer, but this didn't last long............
Does anyone know with how many tons a horse kicks ???
Where our horse is "parked," there are box walls of 45x145. The timber is nailed on the inside of the box wall; otherwise, the horses kick them off, and nails & screws go flying.
But Icelandic horses might be nicer ???
Initially, it was "plyfa" from the box manufacturer, but this didn't last long............
Does anyone know with how many tons a horse kicks ???
I built it the old way myself, thick raw planks on the inside, 195mm frame covered on the outside with weatherproof paper, 45x45 studs between the framing timber, 25mm facade timber with battens, insulated with dried wood shavings, it's worked well for many years... a wall that breathes and can dry if moisture should penetrate
micke
micke
Hello!
So you placed the wind barrier paper between the 195mm studs and the 45x45 studs? That's how I've planned to do it, but normally when insulating a house with fiberglass or similar, you place insulation between the 45x45 studs and then the wind barrier + battens on top of them. I've planned to forgo insulation since our Icelandic horses mostly stay outside, no heat source = no heat regardless of whether you have insulation or not!
So you placed the wind barrier paper between the 195mm studs and the 45x45 studs? That's how I've planned to do it, but normally when insulating a house with fiberglass or similar, you place insulation between the 45x45 studs and then the wind barrier + battens on top of them. I've planned to forgo insulation since our Icelandic horses mostly stay outside, no heat source = no heat regardless of whether you have insulation or not!
this is how the wall is constructed from inside to outsideLucke said:
tongue-and-groove boards - 195mm with 45x45 nailed stud in between - weather protection paper - battens - panel - cover battens
insulated with shavings (the horses generate so much heat themselves that they keep the water ice-free)
micke
OK, now I've decided!
This is how it will be, from the inside out:
Plyfa (or OSB), 145x45 framing lumber, windy vapor barrier, 28x70 nail rule, 22x170 paneling, 22x40 batten. And as the cherry on top, I will also have kutterspån in the walls ;D! Mostly for the sake of acoustics, and as Micke points out, the water will have a bit more difficulty freezing... 8)
This is how it will be, from the inside out:
Plyfa (or OSB), 145x45 framing lumber, windy vapor barrier, 28x70 nail rule, 22x170 paneling, 22x40 batten. And as the cherry on top, I will also have kutterspån in the walls ;D! Mostly for the sake of acoustics, and as Micke points out, the water will have a bit more difficulty freezing... 8)
;D 8)Lucke said:OK, now I've made up my mind!
This is how it will be, from inside to out:
Plywood (or OSB), 145x45 framing lumber, windy wind barrier, 28x70 nail rule, 22x170 panel, 22x40 lock batten. And as the icing on the cake, I will also have wood shavings in the walls ;D! Mostly for acoustics, and as Micke points out, the water will have a bit harder time freezing... 8)
I know quite a bit about stable furnishings. I have some thoughts on that, but don't have time right now... I'll get back to you tomorrow, okay?
NEXT DAY:
Oh, look... I read the thread so quickly yesterday that I barely noticed it wasn't much about interior design/box construction. Well then; maybe I don't have much to add.
I happen to have constructed large stables a couple of times before, from the first pencil stroke to even the final welding on the wrought iron work.
Let me recommend some good reading:
Att Bygga Häststall
Michael Ventorp & Per Michanek
Inst. för JB & T
S. Lantbruksuniversitetet, Lund 1995
This is the authors' thesis. It covers loads of areas, from foundation, ventilation, plumbing, construction, interior design, material selection, floor plan, feed, and so on and so forth.
Very useful reading. It cost about four hundred and well worth it.
Oh, look... I read the thread so quickly yesterday that I barely noticed it wasn't much about interior design/box construction. Well then; maybe I don't have much to add.
I happen to have constructed large stables a couple of times before, from the first pencil stroke to even the final welding on the wrought iron work.
Let me recommend some good reading:
Att Bygga Häststall
Michael Ventorp & Per Michanek
Inst. för JB & T
S. Lantbruksuniversitetet, Lund 1995
This is the authors' thesis. It covers loads of areas, from foundation, ventilation, plumbing, construction, interior design, material selection, floor plan, feed, and so on and so forth.
Very useful reading. It cost about four hundred and well worth it.