I'm going to replace the garage door with a larger model, so I need to tear down the existing wall and frame a new one, see attached image of the existing construction.
Is this correct, or should I change something in the new construction?
Today, it is seen from the inside as drywall-OSB-wall stud 145mm with insulation-horizontal 45x45 with insulation in between-asfaboard-batten-panel
Right or wrong?
Is this correct, or should I change something in the new construction?
Today, it is seen from the inside as drywall-OSB-wall stud 145mm with insulation-horizontal 45x45 with insulation in between-asfaboard-batten-panel
Right or wrong?
it ended up being the same construction, the wall is framed now, the only difference is that it became a wind barrier instead of board.
However, a question, the old construction lacks air battens, but the wall looked completely flawless when I tore it down, so it seems to have worked well, the rest of the house is built the same way. What do you think? Should I nail an air batten now or go with how it has been?
As it looks, the sill lines up with the outer edge of the slab, then there's a 45x45 external on the sill with insulation, then a wind barrier, then a 45x45 nail batten, meaning the bottom boards will come 45mm out from the sill.
But if I put in an air batten of say 22mm, it will come 67mm out from the sill. It feels like the panel will come unnecessarily far out, what would you think?
Thankful for quick responses
I need to purchase some timber if I'm going with the air batten, I already have 45x45 for the nail batten.
It's a board on board panel that should be on the wall, so I think it airs well between the bottom boards so it feels like it's not needed but I thought I'd ask before I finalize.
However, a question, the old construction lacks air battens, but the wall looked completely flawless when I tore it down, so it seems to have worked well, the rest of the house is built the same way. What do you think? Should I nail an air batten now or go with how it has been?
As it looks, the sill lines up with the outer edge of the slab, then there's a 45x45 external on the sill with insulation, then a wind barrier, then a 45x45 nail batten, meaning the bottom boards will come 45mm out from the sill.
But if I put in an air batten of say 22mm, it will come 67mm out from the sill. It feels like the panel will come unnecessarily far out, what would you think?
Thankful for quick responses
I need to purchase some timber if I'm going with the air batten, I already have 45x45 for the nail batten.It's a board on board panel that should be on the wall, so I think it airs well between the bottom boards so it feels like it's not needed but I thought I'd ask before I finalize.
Assuming you've already progressed in the construction to a point where changes are not possible, I would have used sill, 45x45 with insulation, wind barrier, and then air battens 12x45 (also called "rävskinn" where I live) on the wind barrier (stapled to the 45x45 behind it) which the paneling is then nailed into. You've already put up a round of 45x45 acting as a nail strip, so I don't see the need to add an extra layer. But perhaps I'm misunderstanding your construction?
Hello!
I don't have a picture, so I'll try to explain.
What is built now is the sill, 45x45 with insulation, wind board.
What I have to adjust to is that this is a gable wall with a "waist". It's the lower part
of the wall I've torn down and am rebuilding. So it should "meet up with the waist," and to make the panel even with the waist fairly well, the old wall was like sill-45x45-board-45x45-panel.
Then there are the corner boards from two other walls as well, so if I don't add another 45x45, I'd have to reduce the corner boards coming from the other wall, and it won't align with the waist, hence the extra 45x45.
So the panel will be 45mm from the sill, or 45+air batten from the sill. It just felt like a long distance from the sill to the panel, but maybe that doesn't matter.
Oh, lots of text, I hope you understand what I mean. But would you have installed a 12mm vertical air batten before the horizontal 45mm nailing batten? And take into account that it comes out an additional 12mm from the sill or go with how it was before and just use the 45 nailing batten and skip the air batten?
I don't have a picture, so I'll try to explain.
What is built now is the sill, 45x45 with insulation, wind board.
What I have to adjust to is that this is a gable wall with a "waist". It's the lower part
of the wall I've torn down and am rebuilding. So it should "meet up with the waist," and to make the panel even with the waist fairly well, the old wall was like sill-45x45-board-45x45-panel.
Then there are the corner boards from two other walls as well, so if I don't add another 45x45, I'd have to reduce the corner boards coming from the other wall, and it won't align with the waist, hence the extra 45x45.
So the panel will be 45mm from the sill, or 45+air batten from the sill. It just felt like a long distance from the sill to the panel, but maybe that doesn't matter.
Oh, lots of text, I hope you understand what I mean. But would you have installed a 12mm vertical air batten before the horizontal 45mm nailing batten? And take into account that it comes out an additional 12mm from the sill or go with how it was before and just use the 45 nailing batten and skip the air batten?
I think I sort of get what you mean 😆 But in any case, I would want to have an air gap between the wind break and the cladding so you can have drainage of condensation etc. I would install 12x45 air battens on the wind break and then nail the cladding to the air battens. The air battens you put horizontally, in the same direction as the nail battens (45x45) behind the wind break and I usually staple it to the nail battens. Just needs to be stapled so it stays in place. You will then nail the cladding to it, so it will hold permanently. In other words, the air battens are exactly where the 45x45 are, but on the front side of the wind break. So, 45x45 then wind break then air battens then cladding.N Nightlow said:
Haha, yeah, it's not easy to explain, but as I said, if I'm going to have ventilation battens, shouldn't I place them vertically on the existing 45x45 that are there now? And then nail a 45x45 batten to nail the panel onto? Then I'd have a 12mm ventilation gap behind the nailing batten.
So the wall would look like this:
Sill - 45x45 with insulation - weather barrier - vertical ventilation batten - horizontal 45x45 nailing batten - panel.
The sill is 195mm, 145mm standing studs with insulation that align from inside the garage, leaving 45mm to the edge of the outer sill, where the 45x45 with insulation is placed to prevent a thermal bridge. Then on that, a weather barrier, then 45x45 nailing batten, so if I add a 12mm ventilation batten, it becomes 45+12mm distance from the sill edge to the panel.
So the wall would look like this:
Sill - 45x45 with insulation - weather barrier - vertical ventilation batten - horizontal 45x45 nailing batten - panel.
The sill is 195mm, 145mm standing studs with insulation that align from inside the garage, leaving 45mm to the edge of the outer sill, where the 45x45 with insulation is placed to prevent a thermal bridge. Then on that, a weather barrier, then 45x45 nailing batten, so if I add a 12mm ventilation batten, it becomes 45+12mm distance from the sill edge to the panel.
Haha, no, not always the easiest! So, I assumed that the 45x45 studs where the insulation is located are positioned horizontally? In that case, normally, you would install a windbreaker on the outside of the studs with insulation and then battens for ventilation on the outside of the windbreaker in the same direction and in the same place as your 45x45 studs. Then you nail the panel through the battens into the 45x45 studs. So you don't need an additional layer of 45x45. Ventilation occurs in the space between the windbreaker and the battens. The 12 millimeters are enough. You can of course "complicate things" with vertical battens and then another layer with horizontal 45x45, but there's no technical reason to do so. It would be more if you want the panel to come out further.
Yes, exactly, it's framed with 45x45 horizontally for the insulation, that's right. And yes, the extra layer of 45x45 is to bring the panel out enough so it aligns better with the upper part of the gable wall.
I thought that if you mount a vertical air batten and then a horizontal nail batten on it, it would be smart because then there would be an air pocket between the wind barrier and nail batten from the sill all the way up. Instead of laying it horizontally, it would be "just" an air pocket behind the panel between each nail batten. Haha, I'm really complicating things.
So you think I gain nothing from putting a vertical air batten? Then it's enough for me to nail 45x45 horizontally as a nail batten and then it airs between the barrier and the panel?
I thought that if you mount a vertical air batten and then a horizontal nail batten on it, it would be smart because then there would be an air pocket between the wind barrier and nail batten from the sill all the way up. Instead of laying it horizontally, it would be "just" an air pocket behind the panel between each nail batten. Haha, I'm really complicating things.
So you think I gain nothing from putting a vertical air batten? Then it's enough for me to nail 45x45 horizontally as a nail batten and then it airs between the barrier and the panel?
It's sufficient for you to nail 45x45 horizontally as battens and to ventilate between the membrane and panel. As mentioned, the usual construction method is 12x45 horizontally as ventilation battens, and you will instead have 45x45, so it will ventilate nicely!