Hello!
(I'm not entirely sure this is the right subforum, but it will do)
I have a summer place on an island (small island without land connection) in the archipelago.
We have quite a substantial dock with a stone crib and the shore part lies loosely on land. This spring, there was extremely high water, and the land end was lifted up, and a bunch of stuff floated in that I'm struggling to remove.
Now I'm considering rebuilding the land end to have a stone crib instead. The shoreline is very rocky and probably quite close to the bedrock. Is there a good way to do this without having to drill into the bedrock?
Like digging a bit and placing a wooden basket (if you understand what I mean), filling it with stone (we have plenty of that), and then connecting it with the dock.
I'm open to all ideas, but preferably those that don't involve bringing a ferry here.
Pictures below:
Had the same problem. I placed a couple of rain barrels with water on the land part. High tide only comes in autumn/winter when you're not on the dock.
Had the same problem. I placed a couple of rain barrels with water on the land section. High water only comes in autumn/winter when you're not on the jetty.
An interesting solution that I hadn't thought of.
It falls for 2 reasons, neither of which you could know
We’ve started swimming a lot from the jetty, with a growing family and all, and I had an idea of extending the land end so that we could have more sun loungers there. But the ice goes quite high up and I want, for safety reasons, to have a stone foundation to anchor to.
My wife is picky. She will (almost 100% surely) say that it’s ugly and there goes everything.
The simple answer is no. The complicated answer is still no but with some elaboration. I found a solution that I thought should work. At the same time, we were discussing with the Environmental Office in Söderköping about an extension of our house and the pier came up in the discussion. What came up was that such a change to the pier required a building permit & shore protection exemption, and we wouldn't get that as it would 'privatize the pier more than it already was'. In other words, if I extended the pier at the land connection, it could deter someone from coming and mooring at our pier, and that was not acceptable. However, we have not given up, but it will take time.
Sounds like a strange reasoning from the building office. If the dock is close to the house, it can be considered within the privacy zone, i.e., the part of the property not covered by the right of public access. And no swimmers are allowed to dock there (except in emergencies).
One could perhaps also argue with public safety. The current dock might be unsafe to walk on and needs to be addressed.
Sounds like a strange reasoning from the building office. If the dock is close to the house, it can be considered to lie within the home peace zone, i.e., the part of the property that is not covered by the right of public access. And there, no bathers are allowed to moor (except in emergency situations).
One might also argue with the safety for the public. The current dock may be unsafe to step on and needs to be addressed.
We currently do not have a property marking (or whatever it's called). The environmental office has proposed one, but the dock is not part of it. It is 22 meters to the dock, we have another larger house (and 2 sheds) and they consider that the property marking can be a maximum of 1000 m^2, which means that the dock is not included. Moreover, you can't prevent people from walking along the shoreline (or discourage them from it), which you do if the dock is perceived as private. We have had lawyers involved in this (at a horrendous cost) and there is not much we can do at present.
When/if we get a shore protection exemption for the expansion, we can then use it to get an exemption for changes to the dock.
The issue of shoreline protection and how it is interpreted and applied seems to vary significantly from municipality to municipality and from administrator to administrator.
But judging by the picture, it should be possible to secure the dock with a discreet bolt down into the rock beneath the dock to prevent it from drifting away.
Otherwise, it should also be possible to secure some paving stones on the underside of the dock, thereby making it heavy on the land-end without significantly altering its appearance. Old paving stones are often given away online all summer when people upgrade their gardens and realize how cumbersome it is to transport stones away.
Nnine_mirrors said:
We currently have no plot demarcation (or whatever it is called). The environmental office has proposed one, but the dock is not part of it. It is 22 meters to the dock, we have another larger house (and 2 sheds) and they believe that the plot demarcation can be a maximum of 1000 m^2, which means that the dock is not included. Moreover, you cannot prevent people from walking along the shoreline (or discourage them from doing so), which is the case if the dock is perceived as private. We have had lawyers involved in this (at a horrible cost), and there is currently not much we can do.
When/if we receive an exemption for shoreline protection for the construction, we can then use it to request an exemption for changes to the dock.
The issue with shoreline protection and how it is interpreted and applied seems to vary quite a bit from municipality to municipality and from one official to another.
The lawyer said that the law is unclearly and vaguely written, whether intentionally or not, we don't know. It leaves much open for interpretation. Then each shore protection exemption must go to the County Administrative Board for approval and they are generally much stricter than the municipality. It has also turned into a kind of power struggle between the County Administrative Board and the municipalities where the County Administrative Board rejects a permit to set an example.
CChristian LeBygg said:
But judging by the picture, it should be possible to secure the dock with a discreet bolt down into the rock under the dock to secure it from slipping away. Otherwise, it should also be possible to fasten some paving stones at the underside of the dock to make it heavy at the land-end, even if you don't change the appearance noticeably. Old paving stones are given away online all summer when people upgrade their gardens and realize how messy it is to haul away stone.
We have no shortage of stone and that was the direction I was leaning toward before I talked to the municipality.
You say that the bridge can be displaced during extremely high water, isn't it fastened on the outer part, what kind of foundation is there and loosely lying on land.
I say that the ice causes problems, not high water. The ice pushes in and lifts the land attachment of the bridge quite a bit (it can be 30 cm). Now it works because the wood flexes, but if the bridge is too firmly anchored, I'm afraid the ice will break it.
The ice is brutal and strong; it completely took the last bridge. Then we laid a robust stone foundation.
The deck I was considering building would be placed so that the ice could come in under it and possibly lift it up.
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