In the USA, there is an entire movement around this; google "preppers." There was a series on one of the factual channels on TV, "American Preppers," a while ago; you can probably watch some episodes online. I followed it for a while and chuckled a bit at their paranoia... then whatever-hurricane-it-was hit, and we didn't laugh at them anymore... We have no guarantees about the future, and there can certainly be reasons to look after one's house. History is not over yet, and many unexpected and "incredible" things have actually happened (the world wars no one thought would happen, the fall of the Berlin Wall, the major stock market crashes to name a few), so there can be reasons to try and see around the corners a bit. Society is much more vulnerable than we want to believe.
If you are serious about shelters, it's the MSB (Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency) that handles the question of shelters. Lars Gråberg's phone number 010-2405201 can probably contribute a lot to the question. His area of expertise is precisely shelters.
I did the opposite of Yrrol. A few months ago, I managed to decommission a shelter according to all the rules.
The shelter was built in 1952, and I can tell you that although the walls were thick (about 400 mm), there was no extra reinforcement. Many shelters were likely built during the 1950s—the Cold War era. So, one might wonder how the actual standard of shelters in Sweden is?
The requirements have surely been tightened, but also the selectivity of where shelters should be located. There should be valuable installations nearby, like schools, hospitals, important factories, etc., etc.
Apparently, the general population is no longer enough. (Comes far down the priority list)
(Provided that one intends to receive a grant for the construction—without a grant, you can surely build anywhere—with conventional building permits—but then you cannot label or call it a shelter.)
I did the opposite of Yrrol. A few months ago, I managed to decommission a shelter according to all the rules.
The shelter was built in 1952, and I can tell you that although the walls were thick (about 400 mm), there was no extra reinforcement. Many shelters were likely built during the 1950s—the Cold War era. So, one might wonder how the actual standard of shelters in Sweden is?
The requirements have surely been tightened, but also the selectivity of where shelters should be located. There should be valuable installations nearby, like schools, hospitals, important factories, etc., etc.
Apparently, the general population is no longer enough. (Comes far down the priority list)
(Provided that one intends to receive a grant for the construction—without a grant, you can surely build anywhere—with conventional building permits—but then you cannot label or call it a shelter.)
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Got curious about how the cost is distributed and how any local plan affects it, i.e. if bomb shelters are protected.
Let's see when msb answers
Let's see when msb answers
2-3 years ago, work began on the shelters, at least in our city. Buildings were supplemented with outlets for mobile generators, bad batteries were thrown away, and checks on materials were made. However, I haven't seen that they've put in new materials. Surely, items in those sealed boxes aren't meant to last forever.roland53 said:Then one might wonder how the actual status of shelter standards is in Sweden?
If you have a shelter, it is inspected about every 10 years.Yrrol said:
If it is not in order, the property owner may be obliged to restore it at their own expense.
Certain equipment that has a best-before date is financially replaced by MSB (I think?) but as a property owner, you have to take care of acquiring new ones.
In the shelter I decommissioned, there were various tools + flashlights whose batteries are no longer on the market, as well as buckets + plastic bags for latrines. Not an excessive amount of material, it seems.
The most important things were probably air filters and a hand-cranked air pump, as well as some blind flanges and nuts.
There are probably different sizes of shelters and requirements for equipment.
I suppose Yrrol's intended shelter wouldn't accommodate too many people or....?
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I'm considering building a shelter to use the space during peacetime. Does anyone know the approximate size of the grants from the municipality?
And is it true that at least 30 people must fit?
And is it true that at least 30 people must fit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO25JYAaJC0
I was a bit disappointed, though, that the roof, after all the digging, was only a couple of decimeters below the surface. I'm thinking like 15 meters underground or something like that if it's going to be anything.
I was a bit disappointed, though, that the roof, after all the digging, was only a couple of decimeters below the surface. I'm thinking like 15 meters underground or something like that if it's going to be anything.
A shelter can be used for other purposes during peacetime, but it must be able to be converted back into a shelter within 48 hours (I believe that was the timeframe).Nybörjarnybyggare said:
You cannot make any changes you like, for example, laying tiles on the floor is not allowed and penetrations in walls for water/electricity must be made with approved gaskets, etc.
Obtaining a grant can be difficult. It depends on whether there is a need for a shelter in the area where you live. It's not that you automatically receive a grant just because you want to build a shelter.
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3 years later found this old thread...roland53 said:
I did the opposite of Yrrol. A few months ago, I managed to decommission a shelter according to all the rules.
I'm trying to decommission a shelter and need some help with how to justify it to the MSB. The house was built in 1954. How did you justify your application? I've heard that almost all applications are rejected. Any tips are gratefully received!
That the house is in demolition condition probably works. But if you just want to reclassify it, it's probably hopeless.
I have, however, mentioned that I changed my assessment from wanting to make a shelter to the opinion that it's better to flee.
It will have to be the first best country in the opposite direction from the attackers.
I have a kayak so I can outsmart customs.
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A few years ago, it was easier to decommission your shelter, now it's almost impossible. The greatest chance is if the building where the shelter is located is to be demolished and replaced with another building...Ametrin said: