Hello,
We are considering building a split-level house where the lower floor is below the connection point to the municipal sewer. Do we then need to pump our wastewater and have a pump in the house?
Or can the municipal sewer system suck up the water?
It's a maximum of 2 meters that we're dealing with.
How is this usually solved?
We are considering building a split-level house where the lower floor is below the connection point to the municipal sewer. Do we then need to pump our wastewater and have a pump in the house?
Or can the municipal sewer system suck up the water?
It's a maximum of 2 meters that we're dealing with.
How is this usually solved?
It depends a little on:
"Only the devices that are required due to the construction of the general facility shall be financed, owned, and operated by the principal. For example, this applies when the principal has a pressurized sewage network where property owners cannot connect by gravity. The same could apply if the principal, for some reason, chooses to lay a shallow pipeline network where all properties must have a pump to reach the gravity pipeline. The individual properties that, due to the location of the property or the location of the house on the property, need a pump to reach a gravity pipeline, must finance it themselves."
Source: http://www.svensktvatten.se/vattent...ch-juridik/juridik/juridiska-fragor-och-svar/
"Only the devices that are required due to the construction of the general facility shall be financed, owned, and operated by the principal. For example, this applies when the principal has a pressurized sewage network where property owners cannot connect by gravity. The same could apply if the principal, for some reason, chooses to lay a shallow pipeline network where all properties must have a pump to reach the gravity pipeline. The individual properties that, due to the location of the property or the location of the house on the property, need a pump to reach a gravity pipeline, must finance it themselves."
Source: http://www.svensktvatten.se/vattent...ch-juridik/juridik/juridiska-fragor-och-svar/
Thanks for the answers; I found the same answer after a bit of googling, perhaps I was a bit quick to ask the question here.....
But since the thread is created, we can take the opportunity to educate a bit
Found this link that was easy to understand.
http://www.sevab.com/Privat/Vatten/Utbyggnader/Sjalvfall-eller-LTA-pump/
As a complement, here's also a link to the law
http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/svensk-forfattningssamling/lag-2006412-om-allmanna-vattentjanster_sfs-2006-412
What bothers me somewhat is the last sentence about "enstaka fastigheter" in the link from Svenskt Vatten. Even our municipality uses the same wording. However, I can't find the equivalent "disclaimer" in the law (though I haven't read it thoroughly and am not a lawyer). Our plot is low in relation to the street/VA network as the plot slopes from the road. So a split-level house is a good alternative if you don't want to fill the entire plot about 2-3 meters.
It will be interesting to hear what the municipality says....
But since the thread is created, we can take the opportunity to educate a bit
Found this link that was easy to understand.
http://www.sevab.com/Privat/Vatten/Utbyggnader/Sjalvfall-eller-LTA-pump/
As a complement, here's also a link to the law
http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/svensk-forfattningssamling/lag-2006412-om-allmanna-vattentjanster_sfs-2006-412
What bothers me somewhat is the last sentence about "enstaka fastigheter" in the link from Svenskt Vatten. Even our municipality uses the same wording. However, I can't find the equivalent "disclaimer" in the law (though I haven't read it thoroughly and am not a lawyer). Our plot is low in relation to the street/VA network as the plot slopes from the road. So a split-level house is a good alternative if you don't want to fill the entire plot about 2-3 meters.
It will be interesting to hear what the municipality says....
If you are going to read the vattentjänstlagen, you also need to read the government's proposal https://data.riksdagen.se/fil/6C14A01E-9624-4617-8588-9AE4D2E5A769
See pages 71-73
See pages 71-73
Interesting reading on a Friday evening in front of Idol
I found some quotes that might be interesting to see how our municipality interprets.
"Pumps and other devices needed only for individual properties are normally not covered by the principal's responsibility according to the Water and Wastewater Act, whether they are located before or after the connection point. Such devices are usually funded by the property owner. However, if the need for such special devices is not due to the property's specific conditions but is caused by the general water and wastewater system being improperly designed, the principal has in practice been deemed to be responsible for the device."
I don't know how many in our area of about 30 have LTA systems, probably not many more than "a few." However, the municipality has chosen to develop the area partly on a slope. Our plot slopes about 3 meters from the road/VA down to the end of the plot. One could interpret it either as we are to blame for buying a plot that lies lower than the connection point, or it can be argued that the municipality should have buried its sewer deeper since they did sell this plot to us.
"When the property's water and wastewater conditions
significantly deviate from what otherwise applies within the operational area, the principal should have the opportunity to make an agreement
with the property owner on the terms of use."
It will be interesting to see how others in the area have solved their connections.
I found some quotes that might be interesting to see how our municipality interprets.
"Pumps and other devices needed only for individual properties are normally not covered by the principal's responsibility according to the Water and Wastewater Act, whether they are located before or after the connection point. Such devices are usually funded by the property owner. However, if the need for such special devices is not due to the property's specific conditions but is caused by the general water and wastewater system being improperly designed, the principal has in practice been deemed to be responsible for the device."
I don't know how many in our area of about 30 have LTA systems, probably not many more than "a few." However, the municipality has chosen to develop the area partly on a slope. Our plot slopes about 3 meters from the road/VA down to the end of the plot. One could interpret it either as we are to blame for buying a plot that lies lower than the connection point, or it can be argued that the municipality should have buried its sewer deeper since they did sell this plot to us.
"When the property's water and wastewater conditions
significantly deviate from what otherwise applies within the operational area, the principal should have the opportunity to make an agreement
with the property owner on the terms of use."
It will be interesting to see how others in the area have solved their connections.
In Nacka municipality, LTA etc. is included in the connection fee, and everyone has an installation regardless of the design and location of the plot. I suspect the same applies in your municipality. Good luck!
Today, the municipality reached out to me regarding this issue.
The following was said:
-The municipal sewage is of a gravity type, and we have the option to connect to it with gravity sewage from our house (if we fill the plot about 2-3 meters).
-The municipality has no objection if we install an LTA system connected to the municipal sewage (if we build a split-level house).
-The municipality considers that they are not required to pay for this since we have the option to connect with gravity.
-The municipality claims they DO NOT want to interfere in the choice of pump supplier/dimensioning/design/installation of the system, except during the building permit application, nor do they wish to recommend any supplier.
My reflections:
-It is entirely possible to fill the plot so that we reach the correct level (although this will destroy the interesting character of the plot as it is now), so in principle, they are right.
-How can they show such disinterest in a facility that is to be connected to their system, even though they do not want to pay for it?
So what do you think? Do we have a case to pursue and the municipality is trying to get away with something? Or does the municipality have legal support? Is there any case law that could be guiding on this type of exception from the law?
Perhaps an administrator can move the thread to the legal section of the forum?
The following was said:
-The municipal sewage is of a gravity type, and we have the option to connect to it with gravity sewage from our house (if we fill the plot about 2-3 meters).
-The municipality has no objection if we install an LTA system connected to the municipal sewage (if we build a split-level house).
-The municipality considers that they are not required to pay for this since we have the option to connect with gravity.
-The municipality claims they DO NOT want to interfere in the choice of pump supplier/dimensioning/design/installation of the system, except during the building permit application, nor do they wish to recommend any supplier.
My reflections:
-It is entirely possible to fill the plot so that we reach the correct level (although this will destroy the interesting character of the plot as it is now), so in principle, they are right.
-How can they show such disinterest in a facility that is to be connected to their system, even though they do not want to pay for it?
So what do you think? Do we have a case to pursue and the municipality is trying to get away with something? Or does the municipality have legal support? Is there any case law that could be guiding on this type of exception from the law?
Perhaps an administrator can move the thread to the legal section of the forum?