Pon: What is it like to paint such things on chipboards then? Don't the chipboards absorb a lot, requiring you to paint multiple coats? And wouldn't that, in turn, cause them to emit more gases?
Those aren't water-based paints, are they?
ppalm: I just saw that they are marked with CE0402, it's Byggelit's boards, seems to be these:
http://www.byggelit.se/docs/dokument/pdfer/ce_deklaration__v20_dk_050519.pdf
Those aren't water-based paints, are they?
ppalm: I just saw that they are marked with CE0402, it's Byggelit's boards, seems to be these:
http://www.byggelit.se/docs/dokument/pdfer/ce_deklaration__v20_dk_050519.pdf
Crille, it shouldn't suck too much, however, the particleboards might get a slightly rougher surface if it swells. Not sure if this will be noticeable or a problem.
All 3 are water-based.
Servalac Aqua primer has the Swan and EU Ecolabel.
Panel primer blocks knots, soot, nicotine, and other delightful things.
Isolera is more blocking but gives a rougher finish.
The only thing I can think of regarding formaldehyde, if that's the case, is perhaps during painting when the paint dries might elevate the levels slightly. But it's an encapsulating paint and with a finish coat on top, it should be significantly less. There are probably factors that influence it, but I find it hard to see the levels becoming higher after painting.
All 3 are water-based.
Servalac Aqua primer has the Swan and EU Ecolabel.
Panel primer blocks knots, soot, nicotine, and other delightful things.
Isolera is more blocking but gives a rougher finish.
The only thing I can think of regarding formaldehyde, if that's the case, is perhaps during painting when the paint dries might elevate the levels slightly. But it's an encapsulating paint and with a finish coat on top, it should be significantly less. There are probably factors that influence it, but I find it hard to see the levels becoming higher after painting.
However, I'm leaning towards installing a pine floor there instead, i.e., removing the chipboard and replacing it with a pine floor. It costs a bit, but not too much. Sure, it's a bit of work, but you avoid having to paint multiple layers (you don't paint at all).
It definitely sounds like SBS.
If you have formaldehyde in such strong concentrations that you can smell it, my only advice is to tear out all of it. ALL. Particle board.
Currently in the final phase of a complete remediation of a house with this. Had to tear out all walls covered with it, as well as the kitchen and all furniture with particle board core. Not fun at all, and not only do you have respiratory issues, but you also become dull.
If you have formaldehyde in such strong concentrations that you can smell it, my only advice is to tear out all of it. ALL. Particle board.
Currently in the final phase of a complete remediation of a house with this. Had to tear out all walls covered with it, as well as the kitchen and all furniture with particle board core. Not fun at all, and not only do you have respiratory issues, but you also become dull.
robsarve: SBS? That the loft construction is Crap Behind the Controls?
Yes, it's definitely not well thought out at all.
It doesn't take long (let's say fifteen minutes) and then I start feeling it in my head, eyes, and lungs - when I'm sitting here at the computer under the loft. (the chipboards are completely "bare" both upwards and downwards)
Even though I have the window half open.
No, ugh, now I need to go out and get a good gulp of air so I can sleep later. Feels like my airways are getting completely blocked.
Tomorrow we're tearing out these damn chipboards and replacing it with pine flooring!
Yes, it's definitely not well thought out at all.
It doesn't take long (let's say fifteen minutes) and then I start feeling it in my head, eyes, and lungs - when I'm sitting here at the computer under the loft. (the chipboards are completely "bare" both upwards and downwards)
Even though I have the window half open.
No, ugh, now I need to go out and get a good gulp of air so I can sleep later. Feels like my airways are getting completely blocked.
Tomorrow we're tearing out these damn chipboards and replacing it with pine flooring!
SBS is Sick Building Syndrome, "Sjuka hus sjukan" in Swedish.
We had to rush to Astrid Lindgren hospital with one daughter because she had breathing difficulties, and we've confirmed that the other has spots on her lungs.
Sleeping on the couch with an open window is what I recommend.
We had to rush to Astrid Lindgren hospital with one daughter because she had breathing difficulties, and we've confirmed that the other has spots on her lungs.
Sleeping on the couch with an open window is what I recommend.
Ok.
Now the particle boards are gone anyway, and are replaced with pine flooring! Now it feels significantly better, but I think this smells a lot too... but the smell still doesn't feel completely healthy from the wood. Actually, I feel it in my airways. :/
I know these pine floors are 100% natural, but an extreme wood scent isn't that nice either. And it emits turpentines, right? Could that be what I'm reacting to?
Will the turpentines disappear after a while as the smell decreases, or will it always smell like that? Can you get rid of most of it if you paint the floor?
Now the particle boards are gone anyway, and are replaced with pine flooring! Now it feels significantly better, but I think this smells a lot too... but the smell still doesn't feel completely healthy from the wood. Actually, I feel it in my airways. :/
I know these pine floors are 100% natural, but an extreme wood scent isn't that nice either. And it emits turpentines, right? Could that be what I'm reacting to?
Will the turpentines disappear after a while as the smell decreases, or will it always smell like that? Can you get rid of most of it if you paint the floor?
robsarve: Ok, but I don't think so, because I don't know of any other spånskivor in here, it can't be much of that anyway. I'm convinced it's the furugolvet I'm sensing, but it should be fine if I varnish it. (i.e., that the terpene emission decreases significantly)
I removed the post as we have an ongoing process with the insurance company.
Have currently spent almost half a million on our problem. In addition to the physical inconveniences.
Large amounts of aldehydes can apparently cause polymerization in the binders in particleboard and thereby release emission. "Airborne contamination."
Have currently spent almost half a million on our problem. In addition to the physical inconveniences.
Large amounts of aldehydes can apparently cause polymerization in the binders in particleboard and thereby release emission. "Airborne contamination."