Hello.
I am going to insulate internally with lightweight concrete panels that are attached to a plastered brick wall.
These "systems" from Ytong/Xella and Bauroc seem enormously complicated and expensive. Can't one just use Finja's or Weber's thin joint mortar?
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H Händige_Helge said:
Hi.
I am going to add internal insulation with lightweight concrete panels that are attached to a plastered brick wall.
These “systems” from Ytong/Xella and Bauroc seem extremely complicated and expensive. Can't I just use Finja's or Weber's thin joint mortar?
/H
No one with experience?
 
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H Händige_Helge said:
No one with experience?
Yes, it should work but you probably need to put in some kramlor as reinforcement..
Also important that the mortar is low alkaline intended for lättbetong..
 
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Which aerated concrete slabs should you use then?
 
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N neo11 said:
Which lightweight concrete slabs are you going to use then?
It seems to be leaning towards Ytong, 100 mm thickness. They will be glued to the concrete floor and plastered wall.
 
Now I have looked at Webers and Finjas thin joint mortar… Is there any reason at all to buy a glue that is twice as expensive and instead called blockfix? I don't understand the difference between glue from H+H/Ytong and regular thin joint mortar? The price difference ends up being quite a few thousand kronor🤔
 
Are you sure you want to insulate from the inside?
What is the outer wall material, and how much insulation?
Especially if it's below ground, you should think about it...
 
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anders07 anders07 said:
Are you sure you want to insulate from the inside?
What is the exterior wall material, and how much insulation?
Especially if it's below ground, you should consider...
What could happen? I placed 90mm leca on the inside in the basement below ground, about 15 years ago and nothing special has happened as far as I can tell, except it's a bit less cold and the wall is drier. Leca and mortar don't rot, reasonably capillary-breaking, slightly insulating. Should work similarly with lättbetong?
 
G OMathson said:
What could happen? I placed 90mm leca on the inside of the basement below ground level about 15 years ago and haven't noticed anything special, except it's a bit less cold and the wall is drier. Leca and mortar don't rot, are fairly capillary breaking, slightly insulating. It should work similarly with lightweight concrete?
Insulating on the inside will move the heat exchange further inside and risk condensation in the wall, especially in any air pockets.

It's a small risk, but it exists, so you might want to read up a bit and consider the possibility of insulating/draining externally instead.
 
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anders07 anders07 said:
Insulation on the inside will draw the heat exchange further indoors and risk condensation in the wall, especially in any air pockets.

It's a small risk, but it exists, so you might want to research a bit and consider the possibility of insulating/draining externally instead.
Sure, I completely understand the condensation point, etc., and would never insulate the wooden structure on the inside, but it feels quite risk-free to "thicken" a cement-based construction with more cement-based material.
The outside, yes it is good but in some cases nearly impossible.
 
anders07 anders07 said:
Are you sure you want to insulate internally?
What is the wall material outside, and how much insulation?
Especially if it's below ground you should give it some thought...
Yes, it is needed. Brick house with plastered interior walls, concrete floor (later cast).
The house was previously additionally insulated with wooden studs, vapor barrier, and plasterboard. It lasted about 20 years, but became musty...

Now the idea is additional insulation with non-organic, vapor-open material. So I think the reasonable plan is to place lightweight concrete panels against the interior wall, then plaster.

Do you think thin-bed mortar like weber or finja will do the job, in combination with either Ytong or H+H Multiplattan?
 
H Händige_Helge said:
Yes, it's needed. Brick house with plastered interior walls, concrete floor (later poured).
The house was previously additionally insulated with wooden studs, vapor barrier, and drywall. It lasted about 20 years, but became musty...

Now the idea is additional insulation with non-organic, diffusion-open material. So I think the reasonable thing is to attach aerated concrete panels to the interior wall, then plaster.

Do you think thin-bed mortar like weber or finja will do the job, in combination with either Ytong or H+H Multiplattan?
Here you need to think a bit and consider that it can get quite humid behind the aerated concrete panels, so whatever you use to attach them must withstand moisture and moisture movement.

The problem can be that leca releases the mortar if it gets too moist.

Maybe secure the panels with plastic plugs, intended for drainage boards?
You can attach plaster mesh at the same time to the plugs...
 
anders07 anders07 said:
Here you have to think a bit and consider that it can get quite humid behind the lightweight concrete boards, so whatever you attach them with must withstand moisture, and moisture migration.

The problem might be that the leca might release the mortar if it gets too damp.

Maybe attach the boards with plastic plugs, intended for drainage boards?
You can fasten the plaster mesh at the same time in the plugs...
I was thinking thin-layer mortar (cement-based), reinforced with fastenings every m2.
 
Now I have looked at Webers and Finjas thin-bed mortar… Is there any reason at all to buy a glue that is twice as expensive and instead called blockfix? I don't understand the difference between glue from H+H/Ytong and regular thin-bed mortar? It results in a significant price difference of thousands 🤔
 
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Currently in the process of removing a small leca wall that I placed against a rather damp nearly 100-year-old basement wall about 25 years ago, set with tile adhesive. It's stuck harder than I wish...
 
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