Which albums does this apply to? I have bought from the places mentioned
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,988466,00.html
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,988466,00.html
I wonder how much of a difference it makes in a house that is ventilated once they are clad with plaster compared to other glued chipboard/wood products like floors, ceilings, cabinets, and furniture that have free contact with the residential air :-/.
I’m not particularly eager to bring out the chainsaw and start over if it turns out I got such a batch. *Sigh*
I’m not particularly eager to bring out the chainsaw and start over if it turns out I got such a batch. *Sigh*
F@N!!!
I used these boards when I was decorating the upstairs last spring! I said I thought they smelled like formalin when they got warm from the sun, but told my wife it can't be formaldehyde since it's been banned in board materials for over ten years...
No, now I'm pissed off! >
> > My daughter sleeps in a room with these boards around her!
plexi
I used these boards when I was decorating the upstairs last spring! I said I thought they smelled like formalin when they got warm from the sun, but told my wife it can't be formaldehyde since it's been banned in board materials for over ten years...
No, now I'm pissed off! >
> > My daughter sleeps in a room with these boards around her!plexi
Plexi, how have you identified your boards as "toxic"?
I've bought boards recently myself, but only 10 sqm, so it's probably insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Additionally, I've glued these boards onto a chipboard floor, so they're completely impossible to remove without starting from scratch. However, it would be interesting to know which boards I've actually used.
I've bought boards recently myself, but only 10 sqm, so it's probably insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Additionally, I've glued these boards onto a chipboard floor, so they're completely impossible to remove without starting from scratch. However, it would be interesting to know which boards I've actually used.
We'll see what the National Board of Health and Welfare determines and when, it doesn't feel great.
Found some info
The release of formaldehyde from plywood comes during production partly from the wood and partly from the resin used in the glue. Naturally in wood, it's about 0.03 and the limit for plywood is 0.13, and the measured level is 0.19 so
Found some info
The release of formaldehyde from plywood comes during production partly from the wood and partly from the resin used in the glue. Naturally in wood, it's about 0.03 and the limit for plywood is 0.13, and the measured level is 0.19 so
Reflection. Thought about the old part of the house from 1980 where the interior walls are made of chipboard without gypsum covering.... does anyone know if there were limit values back then and what boards from 1980 might emit?
There's no major reason to turn life upside down if it turns out that the old construction would be significantly worse...
There's no major reason to turn life upside down if it turns out that the old construction would be significantly worse...
As I understood it, they only had Setra at "my" Byggmax. I have installed plywood behind all the plaster walls in the finished attic, all the knee wall spaces, about 60-70 sheets. It wouldn't be fun to remove all of them, I would need to tear everything down. I lack FTX in this newly renovated part but I have already installed the most important pipes in the walls. I will demand that Setra pays the bill for the FTX connection immediately.
There was a lot of formaldehyde in old chipboards from the 70s and 80s, but they are probably diminishing after such a long time. Most of the harmful stuff comes out of them when they are new and when they get warm.
Best regards, plexi
There was a lot of formaldehyde in old chipboards from the 70s and 80s, but they are probably diminishing after such a long time. Most of the harmful stuff comes out of them when they are new and when they get warm.
Best regards, plexi
The fact that it is setra does not necessarily mean that all boards have too high a level of formaldehyde. They are a wholesaler and in turn buy from different suppliers, and one would hope they have previously conducted spot checks and reviewed the product declaration.
When I talked to Byggmax centrally, they also had different suppliers, and finding out which batch went where and when would take some time.
When I talked to Byggmax centrally, they also had different suppliers, and finding out which batch went where and when would take some time.
When I talked to byggmax, they basically knew nothing and asked me to get back to them tomorrow...
plexi
plexi
I have spoken with both the National Board of Health and Welfare (health protection) and the Swedish Chemicals Agency (KEMI). The Swedish Chemicals Agency is aware of the process:
Attempt at a short summary.
Setra suspected that a panel was not as it should be because it was wet and sent it to the National Testing Institute for a long-term test (10 days) after these days, they measured 0.19, and after about 3 weeks it was below the limit value. The formaldehyde thus decreases quite quickly. According to KEMI, this concerned a delivery from April. He also said that he thought Setra has acted in the best possible way.
It is not known today if it is a single panel or if it is a specific delivery that has been mishandled (moist) or if the fault is already at production.
It is worst in the beginning and especially if you store them wet or moist.
Formaldehyde is often detected as irritation in the throat and nose. Regarding cancer, old studies have shown cancer in the noses of animals at very high exposure, not much more has been done since then. The formaldehyde problem has been resolved in Sweden for a long time, but with a global market and the pursuit of the best price and trade with countries that have not come as far regarding environment and health, it has reappeared.
What are the authorities doing now? The National Board of Health and Welfare together with the National Board of Housing, Building, and Planning will come with a recommendation. When? It can hardly be based on one panel and should require a couple more and the tests take at least 10 days, so it will probably take some time.
Own conclusion:
I plan to talk to the municipality and Setra and make sure a measurement is done (there are short-term measurements over 3 days). As for Buildingmax, they will never be able to say if my specific panel was from this or that delivery. They hardly have the control to know which batch of panels comes from where and exactly when it was available for pick-up.
If you've not reacted to the formaldehyde and the plywood, it was probably not an issue with the plywood. If it has also been in place for a while, it feels like it's too late to do anything, the crap has already been emitted.
I'm a bit tempted to rip out the stuff, like 30 panels plus gypsum not yet plastered, and demand Setra for compensation for work and material. In the future, one should preferably buy Swedish tongue and groove wood or alternative Swedish plywood.
You should be glad you built it yourself so you know you might have toxic panels. I'm considering how many builders inform that the panels they installed might be toxic.
Attempt at a short summary.
Setra suspected that a panel was not as it should be because it was wet and sent it to the National Testing Institute for a long-term test (10 days) after these days, they measured 0.19, and after about 3 weeks it was below the limit value. The formaldehyde thus decreases quite quickly. According to KEMI, this concerned a delivery from April. He also said that he thought Setra has acted in the best possible way.
It is not known today if it is a single panel or if it is a specific delivery that has been mishandled (moist) or if the fault is already at production.
It is worst in the beginning and especially if you store them wet or moist.
Formaldehyde is often detected as irritation in the throat and nose. Regarding cancer, old studies have shown cancer in the noses of animals at very high exposure, not much more has been done since then. The formaldehyde problem has been resolved in Sweden for a long time, but with a global market and the pursuit of the best price and trade with countries that have not come as far regarding environment and health, it has reappeared.
What are the authorities doing now? The National Board of Health and Welfare together with the National Board of Housing, Building, and Planning will come with a recommendation. When? It can hardly be based on one panel and should require a couple more and the tests take at least 10 days, so it will probably take some time.
Own conclusion:
I plan to talk to the municipality and Setra and make sure a measurement is done (there are short-term measurements over 3 days). As for Buildingmax, they will never be able to say if my specific panel was from this or that delivery. They hardly have the control to know which batch of panels comes from where and exactly when it was available for pick-up.
If you've not reacted to the formaldehyde and the plywood, it was probably not an issue with the plywood. If it has also been in place for a while, it feels like it's too late to do anything, the crap has already been emitted.
I'm a bit tempted to rip out the stuff, like 30 panels plus gypsum not yet plastered, and demand Setra for compensation for work and material. In the future, one should preferably buy Swedish tongue and groove wood or alternative Swedish plywood.
You should be glad you built it yourself so you know you might have toxic panels. I'm considering how many builders inform that the panels they installed might be toxic.
There is a severe shortage of plywood in the world right now, especially in Sweden. This means that EVERYONE, including building supply stores like Byggmax and Beijer, will run out of plywood in stock at some point and are forced to purchase wherever it's available, which means that boards from Setra have probably been available with most retailers. However, I don't think it's particularly serious as it was close to the permissible limit and that decreases quite rapidly.
Exceeded the limit by almost 50% and the limit is approximately exactly 13, not 10 or 15. Found an interesting article by the Swedish Environmental Protection Agency about formaldehyde "A compilation of knowledge and risk assessment" http://sahlgrenska.se/upload/SU/omr...dicin/VMC/rapporter/Formaldehyd_rapp_5399.pdf
I was just informed by Setra's sales manager who impressively called me, a small private builder. Kudos to them!
According to him, they have delivered Czech and Chinese boards to Byggmax. The Czech ones are well below the limit, at the same level as the Finnish ones, under 0.10 mg/m3.
You can visually see the difference; the Czech ones have five layers of veneer, and the Chinese ones have seven layers (I had 5).
For those of you who want to talk to professionals in the field or order an affordable formaldehyde test, after two days of delving into the topic, I’ve found the Work and Environmental Medicine Clinic at Örebro University Hospital.
http://www.orebroll.se/uso/page____2908.aspx
Setra informed Byggmax yesterday, so we’ll see when they start calling around. It has certainly created a lot of concern, so for my part, they could have gladly called last night!
According to him, they have delivered Czech and Chinese boards to Byggmax. The Czech ones are well below the limit, at the same level as the Finnish ones, under 0.10 mg/m3.
You can visually see the difference; the Czech ones have five layers of veneer, and the Chinese ones have seven layers (I had 5
).For those of you who want to talk to professionals in the field or order an affordable formaldehyde test, after two days of delving into the topic, I’ve found the Work and Environmental Medicine Clinic at Örebro University Hospital.
http://www.orebroll.se/uso/page____2908.aspx
Setra informed Byggmax yesterday, so we’ll see when they start calling around. It has certainly created a lot of concern, so for my part, they could have gladly called last night!