Suspected asbestos

[goosen]

Another thread with the same topics. I'm going to send in samples but still want to hear what you think. See the following two images.

Could the white glue be asbestos?

Under the carpet in the second image, there's a greenish powder, I assume it's the dried glue. Asbestos?

I accidentally touched the powder in the rush before I started thinking that it might actually be dangerous...

 

[imported_Benno]

That type of flooring usually contains asbestos. But the analysis will show if that is the case for you.

 

[goosen]

That type of flooring usually contains asbestos. But the analysis will show if that's the case for you.

The vinyl tiles are high risk, yes. Do you think the carpet is also at risk?

 

[Krabbeluring]

That type of vinyl record, I would almost dare to put a finger, at least a nail, on that it contains asbestos. Fortunately, it is a material that hardly dusts, so to speak. The glue is impossible to guess. It could be anything. Even homemade.

I would love to get better pictures of the other mat, green powder sounds strange. Could it be a degraded grålumppapp otherwise?

Tips for sampling:

Cut off a corner of the vinyl mat, both the gray and green ones. Make sure the glue is attached so they can check it at the same time.

For the green powder, you can do a tape test, take a transparent tape strip and fold the edges so you have something to hold onto, dab on a few spots in the powder.

I have personally received good service at Evema.

If there isn’t asbestos in the adhesives, but in the vinyl mat: remove the stuff and wet wipe. Ventilate.

If there is asbestos in the adhesives and you cannot remove it in any other way than by sanding or milling (it could otherwise, for example, sit on masonite and be removed in whole pieces): rent an air purifier and vacuum cleaner with the correct filter. Wet wipe afterward.

Everything with asbestos is about avoiding dust spreading. There is no reason for concern where it lies.

 

[goosen]

That type of vinyl record I would almost dare to put a finger, at least a nail, on it containing asbestos. Fortunately, it is a material that hardly dusts, so to speak. The glue is impossible to guess. It could be anything. Even homemade.

The other carpet I would like to get better pictures of, green powder sounds strange. Could it otherwise be a disintegrated grålumppapp?

Tips for sampling:

Cut off a corner of the vinyl mat, both the gray and green. Make sure there's glue on it so they check it at the same time.

The green powder can be taped sample on, take a transparent tape strip and fold in the edges so you have something to hold on to, dab it in a few places in the powder.

I myself have received good service at Evema.

If it's not asbestos in the glues, but in the vinyl mat: remove the mess and wet clean. Ventilate.

Asbestos in the glues and you can't remove it in any other way than needing to sand or mill it (can otherwise e.g. be on Masonite and can be removed in whole pieces): rent an air purifier and vacuum cleaner with the correct filter. Wet clean afterwards.

Everything with asbestos is about avoiding dust spreading. There are no reasons to worry where it lies.

Thanks for the information!

Yes, all the googling during the evening has really scared me now. I broke off a piece of the tile that had glue on it, I did that in the basement and put it in a plastic bag for analysis. It's quite hard and plasticky and didn't dust at all (I know the fibers are invisible). Didn't think it would be that dangerous. Searching online, it seems it's all over and it's just waiting for the cancer diagnosis...

 

[goosen]

Thanks for the information!

Yes, all the Googling during the evening has really scared me a lot now. I broke off a piece of the tile that had glue on it, which I did in the basement and put it in a plastic bag for analysis. It's quite hard and plasticky, and didn't dust at all (I know the fibers are invisible). I didn't think it would be so dangerous. If you search the internet, it seems like it's a lost cause, and you just have to await the cancer diagnosis…

That type of vinyl tile I would almost bet a finger, at least a nail, on containing asbestos. Luckily, it's a material that hardly dusts, so to speak. The glue is impossible to guess. It could be anything. Even home-mixed.

I would like better pictures of the other carpet, green powder sounds strange. Could it possibly be a disintegrated grey paper otherwise?

Sampling tips:

Cut off a corner of the vinyl mat, both on the grey and green. Make sure the glue is attached so they check it at the same time.

You can do a tape sample on the green powder, take a transparent piece of tape and fold in the edges so you have something to hold on to, dab it on a few spots in the powder.

I've personally received good service at Evema.

If there's no asbestos in the glues, but in the vinyl mat: remove the stuff and wet wipe. Ventilate.

Asbestos in glues and you can't remove it in any other way than it needs to be sanded or milled (it can otherwise, for example, be on masonite and can be removed in whole pieces): rent an air purifier and vacuum with the correct filter. Wet wipe afterward.

Everything with asbestos is about avoiding dust spreading. There is no reason for concern where it lies.

All other carpets on the upper floor have the same type of construction, soft plastic with a layer of fiber underneath (almost looks like gut fibers) which in turn are glued to masonite. The green powder appears to be dried glue.

 

[Krabbeluring]

All other carpets upstairs have the same type of construction, soft plastic with a layer of fiber underneath (almost looks like gutefibrer) which in turn is glued to masonite. The green powder looks like dried glue.

Ah okay, linoleum is usually more of a woven story with a grid pattern, it's possible this is coconut fibers. Doesn't smell much like asbestos from that type of carpet but the glue sounds quite suspect. Please report back with test results.

 

[goosen]

Ah okay, linoleum is usually more of a woven story with a grid, this might possibly be coconut fibers. It doesn't really smell like asbestos from that type of carpet but the glue does sound pretty suspicious. Please get back with the test results.

Yes, I'll get back to you! Should one be worried about having broken a tile?

 

[Jonatan79]

Yes I'll get back to you! Do you need to worry about having broken a disc?

No! No! No!

 

[Krabbeluring]

Yes I will get back to you! Do you need to worry about having broken a disc?

I really don't think so. That worry should be something you can blow away in five minutes with a draft through the room. Right?

 

[Jonatan79]

Yes I'll get back to you! Should one be worried about having broken a disc?

https://www.dagensmedicin.se/specialistomraden/psykiatri/studie-hypokondriker-dor-oftare-i-fortid/

The best thing is not to worry about something that isn't dangerous.

 

[goosen]

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The best is not to worry about something that is not dangerous.

Noted. Will get back when I get a response.

 

[kurlakarl]

Yes I will get back to you! Do you need to worry about having broken a disc?

In that case, wouldn't almost no one have survived the 60s?

 

[goosen]

The type of vinyl record, I would almost dare to put a finger, at least a nail, on it containing asbestos. Fortunately, it's a material that hardly dusts, so to speak. The glue is impossible to guess. Could be anything. Homemade even.

I would love to get better pictures of the other mat, green powder sounds strange. Could it be a disintegrated grålumppapp otherwise?

Tips for sampling:

Cut off a corner of the vinyl mat, both the gray and green ones. Make sure there is glue on them so they check it at the same time.

For the green powder, you can do a tape test, take a piece of clear tape and fold the edges so you have something to hold, dab it in a few places in the powder.

Have personally received good service at Evema.

If it’s not asbestos in the glues, but in the vinyl mat: remove the stuff and wet wipe. Ventilate.

If there's asbestos in the glues and you can’t get it off in any other way than it needs to be sanded or milled (it might be on masonite and can be removed in whole pieces): rent an air purifier and vacuum cleaner with the correct filter. Wet wipe afterward.

Everything with asbestos is about avoiding dust spread. There's no reason to worry where it lies.

Lucky you didn't put a finger on the line! Got the results today and neither of the samples contained asbestos. Positively surprised actually. As the asbestos paranoia has settled, there's still some doubt lingering. Only tested the green tile with glue, not the gray one. But it seems unlikely if the gray would contain asbestos and not the green one? But I will still send in a few more samples from other places in the house. Will post pictures and results later.

 

[Krabbeluring]

Lucky you didn't bet a finger! Got the results today, and none of the samples contained asbestos. Pleasantly surprised, actually. As the asbestos anxiety has settled in, there's still some hesitation remaining. I only tested the green tile with glue, not the gray one. But it seems highly unlikely that the gray one would contain asbestos and not the green, right? Still, I'll send in a few more samples from other places in the house. Will post pictures and results later.

Yes, the gray one could very well contain asbestos still, but I have to say that one of the less worrisome materials, personally, are vinyl floors. It varies greatly with different brands of flooring. For example, holmsund had several series with tiles without asbestos and several with, which they called viny-best, among others. The asbestos is quite bonded, so you would need to sand them or tear several apart to release any significant asbestos. Personally, I think they look pretty nice, for example in an entrance hall, so I would gladly take off some and glue them in the right place and polish them off.