Hello!
I am going to nail (nail gun) new paneling on the facade, but I'm a bit unsure about which nail size to choose.
The panel is 21mm thick and will be nailed on a battens that is 28mm thick.
According to my logic, the right nail should be 50mm long since a longer nail would just go through the battens and into the wind barrier, which shouldn't provide any advantage. However, when I look at the recommended nail lengths for paneling, 65mm or 75mm nails are advised, which I find strange. Do I have unusually thin battens?
What nail length should I choose, and is there any benefit in paying extra for nails with adhesive, like those in Senco's range, to get extra good hold with the nails?
/Jonas
I am going to nail (nail gun) new paneling on the facade, but I'm a bit unsure about which nail size to choose.
The panel is 21mm thick and will be nailed on a battens that is 28mm thick.
According to my logic, the right nail should be 50mm long since a longer nail would just go through the battens and into the wind barrier, which shouldn't provide any advantage. However, when I look at the recommended nail lengths for paneling, 65mm or 75mm nails are advised, which I find strange. Do I have unusually thin battens?
What nail length should I choose, and is there any benefit in paying extra for nails with adhesive, like those in Senco's range, to get extra good hold with the nails?
/Jonas
It's not just the lengths that differentiate between 50, 65, and 75 mm nails. They also become thicker with increasing length. The thickness affects, among other things, the pull-out strength, shear strength, and durability.
Then I'll go with Gunnebo. It's the nail I have used so far, and it feels a bit cumbersome to get hold of Senco nails. You have to go to one of their retailers, and their main business is hardly to stock nails. Gunnebo you can buy at any K-Rauta.
Thanks for the help.
/Jonas
Thanks for the help.
/Jonas
If you mean nails for a nail gun, which I suspect since you're talking about Senco, they are usually the same thickness regardless of length. The shot nails hold much more firmly than the regular ones. If you need to remove a nail that went in the wrong place, it's hardly possible. I see no point in shooting nails that will stick out an inch on the back. I've nailed all the paneling with 50mm, and it hasn't shown any tendency to fall down.anaitis said:
2½ times the timber thickness is what's needed.... I would have gone with 3".. so 75 x 2.8 galvanized of course...
According to the rules, it should be a cut nail (kamspik) and stainless. 75mm sounds right.Milkshaken said:
http://www.beijerbygg.se/templates/BB_ProduktListingFlera.aspx?id=9911
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JonasHolm, I completely agree with you! Why use nails that go out into thin air (or into the insulation)?JonasHolm said:
I myself have nailed panels onto polystyrene insulation with 22 mm nail battens. Used 60 mm nails (no gun, hand-nailed), and 75 mm nails for the blocking battens. No panel boards fell off in 20 years.
In your case, I would probably have used 60 mm nails too to make it sit well, 50 mm doesn't go through the nail batten more than with the tip.
But stand your ground!
//KoW
Saturnus, which "rules" disqualify hot-dip galvanized wire nails for panel boards?saturnus said:
//KoW
Edit: Sorry styrman1, was a bit late there! //KnockOnWood
As mentioned above, it's about nail guns, and all lengths (except 90mm) have the same thickness.
What I'm worried about is that the nail tip might tear the fabric if the tip sticks out on the backside and the fabric moves. The studs are vertical and the nail battens are horizontal, so the building wrap "hangs" loosely between the wall studs, so to speak, allowing it to move.
Then, as mentioned above, I don't understand what the benefit is of the nail protruding through the building wrap and into the insulation behind. It can't affect the force required to pull out the nail.
/Jonas
What I'm worried about is that the nail tip might tear the fabric if the tip sticks out on the backside and the fabric moves. The studs are vertical and the nail battens are horizontal, so the building wrap "hangs" loosely between the wall studs, so to speak, allowing it to move.
Then, as mentioned above, I don't understand what the benefit is of the nail protruding through the building wrap and into the insulation behind. It can't affect the force required to pull out the nail.
/Jonas
I join those who use 60 mm in this case and Gunnebo. Gunnebo works in most cases anyway.
/Kent
/Kent