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If I insert 4 pieces of 45x170 reglar, 2 on each side between the "liven" on a hea 200 steel beam,
Will it strengthen the beam significantly? Make it stiffer? Less deflection?
 
  • Illustration showing four 45x170 wooden beams inserted on either side of a 200 HEA steel beam, with dimensions marked.
or if you rotate it 90 deg what happens then?
 
C cazet said:
or if you rotate it 90 degrees, how does it turn out then?
now I don't understand, what do you mean?
The beam should rest on 160x160 pillars like this
 
thought like this but maybe it was a dumb thought?
 
  • Hand-drawn floor plan sketch with measurements and a column labeled 'pelare' indicating positioning thoughts in construction project.
Filling with wood provides virtually no stiffness. With the same deformation, almost all the load will be absorbed by the steel beam, which, in terms of material, has about 40 times greater stiffness than wood. As a thought experiment: place a rubber band on a steel ruler and subject the sandwich to tensile stress. Which material takes the majority of the load?
 
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or you take the next thickness of the beam, it becomes heavier but more shape-stable
 
The beam has the right dimensions for what it is going to be used for. But it must become somewhat stiffer with 90x170 recessed between the "liven" on each side.
 
If you are to receive any help from the wooden studs at all, they must interact with the steel beam, i.e., be "connected" to each other and not just "wedged in". There is a significant difference in strength between steel and wood, so any contribution here is likely negligible.
 
R roli said:
If the wooden beams are to provide any help at all, they must work together with the steel beam, i.e., be "linked" to each other and not just "wedged in". Now there is a significant difference between the strength of steel and wood, so any contribution here is probably negligible.
What do you mean by linked?
 
Stuck in each other, e.g., tightly screwed or equivalent.
 
R roli said:
Stuck together, e.g. tightly screwed or equivalent.
Type pl600 above and below in the groove then knock in the studs that are glued/screwed together?
 
Well, one can imagine that it becomes stiffer BUT when the beam breaks, the force is such that it doesn't matter what the dimension is or the number of pieces of wood in between. However, this is now speculating the worst-case scenario that it just snaps all at once ^^

but my theory in my little pink world is that one must calculate the load-bearing capacity separately for the beam (HEA from the size) and wood (C16 C24 C30) and then span and load that want to play are also considered... so one can be meticulous with the fastening of the woodwork... the use of a bolt gun and how much the holes in the beam affect it, etc.

there's a lot
 
  • HEA beam diagram with cross-sectional measurements, material properties, and tabulated dimensions for steel type S355J2, including elastic and plastic resistance data.
No. You are thinking incorrectly. The fastening of the materials into each other has negligible significance in this case. If it were a sandwich construction, it would be important, but that is not the case.

The deflection for a given geometry is directly proportional to the material's modulus of elasticity (E-modulus). The E-modulus is a material constant for a material's stiffness. Steel has about 210 GPa, and wood somewhere around 5 GPa. That's a difference by a factor of 40. Now, the different materials do indeed have different geometries, but that has little significance for the reasoning. If we combine wood with steel according to the first sketch, the load will cause the exact same deformation, won't it? After all, they are joined together. The stress in a loaded construction with a given deformation is directly dependent on the E-modulus. This is called Hooke's Law. This leads to the stress in the steel being so much higher that it takes almost the entire load, and the wood carries almost no load at all. With such low stress in the wood, the stiffness of the total construction is barely affected at all by adding wood.
 
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