Started garage wobbles

[AG A]

The studs in the wall. A top plate only takes horizontal forces, not vertical ones...

Think it over again.

 

[FredrikR]

Yes, but "also" means there is something more. What is the other thing?

I'll see if I can explain so you understand what I mean.
Either you have a recessed beam together with the wall plate and have the studs, which you might call posts, placed as you like depending on doors or windows. Or you have the trusses on the wall plate with a stud under each truss.

In the construction that the thread is about, the trusses rest on the wall plate, which also has a recessed beam underneath; this eliminates the need for a stud under each truss.

You seem to be fixated on 45mm, but that’s how it's built; the wall studs form a framework with the beam and wall plate that supports the roof.
Normally, there aren't double beams making it 90mm.

One must look at how the wall is constructed as a whole.

 

[Nissens]

Take and think it over again.

The same to you.

 

[Nissens]

I'll try to explain so you understand what I mean.
Either you have a recessed beam along with the wall plate and have the studs, which you might call posts, positioned based on doors or windows. Or you have the trusses on the wall plate with a stud under each truss.

In the build this thread is about, the trusses rest on the wall plate which ALSO has a recessed beam underneath, eliminating the need for a stud under each truss.

You seem to be fixated on 45mm, but that's how you build, the wall studs create a framework with beams and wall plates that support the roof.
Normally, you don't have double beams so it becomes 90mm.

You have to consider how the wall is constructed as a whole.

Ok, but I never mentioned anything about double beams. But if you compare it with a standing stud, the bearing area can be, for example, 95, 120, or maybe 145mm. Compared to that, 45mm is not much.
And usually, you place standing studs under the trusses.

 

[hhallen]

Yes, I think so too. I also find it strange that I haven't seen anything about steel bands in any guide online.

For those wondering how the heck I could have missed it, it’s probably because I'm not a carpenter but a layman. 👍

Of course, one should consider safety during the construction phase. Even if sheet material in the facade provides sufficient rigidity in the finished building, it's not fun if the whole thing collapses while you're building it.

Regarding carpenter/layman, it is still common knowledge that you must have some form of bracing to prevent a building's frame from collapsing. Just think about all the shelves like "Billy" and similar that people have - have you never wondered why they have cross braces?

 

[FredrikR]

Ok, but I have never mentioned anything about double beams. But if you compare with a standing stud, the bearing surface can be, for example, 95, 120, or maybe 145mm. In comparison, 45mm is not much.
And usually, you place standing studs under the rafters.

No, but you keep returning to the point that 45mm is not much, but yes, 45mm on edge and in this case 170mm? is a lot. You have to think that you have the load along or perpendicular to the fiber direction in studs and beams.
The beam supports the wall plate together with the wall studs.

Usually?
Do you place doors and windows according to the placement of the rafters?

 

[Nissens]

No, but you keep coming back to the fact that 45mm is not much, but indeed, 45mm on its end and in this case 170mm? is a lot. You have to think that you have the load along or perpendicular to the grain direction in studs and beams.
The beam supports the purlin together with the wall studs.

Usually?
Do you place doors and windows based on the placement of the trusses?

Of course, you adjust for doors and windows as needed. Is it the word usually you don't understand?
Usually means in this case often, in exceptions like for windows you naturally adjust. But perhaps you usually have windows and doors everywhere? 😃

There is no reason to place vertical studs away from the trusses, but if you think it's better that way, you are welcome to think so. 🙂

Regardless of what you say, you need to be aware of the load you have on 45x45 mm wood. There must be a load where it brings disadvantages.

 

[hantverkare1]

You are talking about different things all the time
See the image below
Red cross is a bärlina, it takes the force downwards and distributes it on the standing studs and further down into the concrete slab/pillar or whatever it stands on.
Roof trusses can therefore be placed wherever you want, preferably over a standing stud but not necessary.

Blue cross is hammarband. It holds the wall together and is there to attach boards, nail rule, prevent insulation from sticking up, etc.

 

[hantverkare1]

Of course forgot the picture

 

[hantverkare1]

The trusses do not rest on a 45x45 but on the hammarbandet which is wider than that. The hammarbandet in turn rests on the bärlinan which rests on the standing studs which rest on the syllen which rests on the syllisolerinhen which rests on the concrete slab which rests on the vellplast which rests on the base layer of crushed stone or similar. Stable all the way down, then.

 

[FredrikR]

Of course, I forgot the picture

I'm not sure the picture will solve anything..😚

Suddenly, 45x45 comes into the discussion...
🤦‍♂️

 

[Nissens]

Of course, forgot the picture

Yep, that's how it should have looked in the TS garage too! There is a standing rule under the roof truss.

Since nothing rests on the header in your picture, it's hard to understand why it's there. The roof truss already has perfect support.

 

[hantverkare1]

You switch of course at doors and windows as needed. Is it the word "usually" that you don't understand?
Usually means in this case often, in exceptional cases such as at windows you of course switch. But maybe you usually have windows and doors everywhere? 😃

There is no reason to place vertical studs a bit away from the roof trusses, but if you think it's better, you're entitled to that opinion. 🙂

No matter what you say, you need to keep track of the load you have on 45x45 mm wood. There should be a load where it poses disadvantages.

Where is it 45x45?

 

[hantverkare1]

Yep, that's how it should have looked in TS's garage too!

I screenshotted the image that ts posted in the first post... I've been creative and made the crosses myself...

 

[FredrikR]

You switch off at doors and windows as needed, of course. Is it the word usually you don't understand?
Usually means in this case mostly, in exceptional cases such as at windows, you switch off, of course. But maybe you usually have windows and doors everywhere? 😃

There is no reason to place vertical studs a bit away from the roof trusses, but if you think it's better, then you can think that. 🙂

No matter what you say, you need to be aware of the load you have on 45x45 mm wood. There should be a load where it results in disadvantages.

Should it exist?

I don't think it's better but it works just as well.