Started garage wobbles

[Nissens]

Strange discussion about the hammarbandet, I must say. Sometimes I wonder if there are people here who really build something, or if they're just making it up.

In 'normal' house constructions, there are horizontal hammarbandet, and vertical studs underneath are at c/c 60. Every other stud then lands the roof trusses at c/c 120.

In a simpler construction where the wall studs are farther apart, it's advantageous to place a vertical stud recessed under the hammarbandet, which then provides an incredibly strong combination.

Of course, this can also be done when the wall studs are at c/c 60, but that's overkill.

I always attach a standing 145 stud OUTSIDE the wall studs and use a hammarbandet that is 2 inches wider and then covers that stud.
The standing stud then serves as an attachment for the paneling.

Agree completely, that's exactly how those who have built something think! 👍

 

[AG A]

There is no such thing as a "standing hammarband". The purpose of the hammarband is, as stated several times before, to stabilize the wall. Therefore, it should be mounted lying down.
The rule on edge is a beam that supports the roof trusses, not a hammarband.

Where do you have the source for that? You who don't even know what forces it takes up, or why one even has a hammarband.

 

[AG A]

Having a horizontal top plate has the advantage that the contact pressure between the truss and the top plate is lower. For as large a span as this garage has, I think it's necessary.
Having a vertical top plate has the advantage that it better supports the trusses that do not have a vertical wall stud directly underneath them if they are offset towards the trusses (why one would build so stupidly) and is better if you want to have doors or windows where there *should* be a vertical stud either directly during construction or later.
In other words: if you're not quite sure how you want to change your garage later, the wise person installs *both* a vertical and horizontal top plate. At a very reasonable extra cost.
End of message.

Couldn't have said it much better myself.

 

[Nissens]

Couldn't have said it much better myself.

Previously you thought it was perfectly normal not to have standing wall studs under the roof truss. Now when someone writes that it's silly to offset the standing studs in relation to the roof trusses, you agree with that too.

And you previously claimed that horizontal top plates can support the roof trusses, but now when someone says that vertical top plates are needed if the standing wall studs don't end up under the roof trusses, you agree with that too.

Quite strange, but it's good if you've come to an understanding. 😊

 

[DrDengrot]

There is no such thing as an "upright wall plate." The purpose of the wall plate, as mentioned several times before, is to stabilize the wall. Therefore, it should be mounted horizontally. The rule on its edge is a beam that supports the roof trusses, not a wall plate.

A wall plate set "on its height" also stabilizes the wall. Maybe even better because the nail or screw joint that attaches it to the studs can handle much larger forces as they pull perpendicular to the fibers. The difference is particularly large when screws are used.

 

[seniorkonsult]

Stop it now! The garage is already built and the thread has completely derailed. The top plate has always been flat on the standing studs just as the wall plate always is and has been recessed in the standing studs. All other invented terms are wrong.
The discussion is over.

 

[seniorkonsult]

Where is your source for that? You who don't even know what forces it deals with, or why one even has a hammarband.

Where is your source that you are eagerly fighting for? Read Träinformation, it surely states what it's called.

 

[jonaserik]

See now as usual that a thread does not end, but is to be commented on infinitely, Now 217 long + mine. most likely the construction is finished. TS immediately took to heart the matter with braces for stability and is probably happy about it, so it didn't slip and collapse. TS probably thinks it's enough now with various things regarding this or that. so an ending to the thread is probably a good idea.

 

[useless]

Now, as usual, I see that a thread does not end but is commented on endlessly. Now 217 long + mine. The construction is probably finished. TS immediately took the advice about braces for stability and is probably happy about that, so it didn't sway and collapse. TS probably thinks it's enough now with various things regarding this or that. So an end to the thread is probably a good idea.

You seem to find it interesting enough to read and comment. Maybe go another round for the sake of the readers?

 

[jonaserik]

You seem to find it exciting enough to read and comment. Maybe you should go another round for the readers' sake?

Answer no, but I get a notification for a thread I've participated in. But it's also usual for you to be in and respond to a lot that comes up. I don't do that, I stick to what's relevant for me to respond to with the knowledge I have. Otherwise, I might read something but not respond. You're thinking of this thread, how many posts have I made. A couple, and that's enough for me, without going around with perhaps irrelevant comments. We'll see how it goes in the future in the thread if it will reach the 500 mark or not.

 

[useless]

I don't do that, but stick to what seems to be relevant to answer with the knowledge I have.

Yes, each responds according to ability...

 

[FredrikR]

Answer no, but I get an indication on a thread I have participated in. But it's usual for you too to be in and respond to quite a lot that comes up. I don't do that, instead, I stick to what's relevant to respond to with the knowledge I have. Otherwise, I might read something but not respond.
You're thinking about this thread, how many posts have I made? A couple, and that's enough for me without getting caught up in possibly irrelevant comments. We'll see how it turns out in the future in the thread if it will reach the 500 mark or not.

You can unsubscribe from the thread if you want, that function exists. 👍

 

[Bengt Henrik]

I have not read all the answers and the original poster has probably fixed the problem.
From what I can see in the pictures, the builder built our garage in the same way as the original poster but with braces screwed into the frame and in the concrete floor and braces in the rafters that were removed when the sheathing and the outer panel were nailed.

 

[Alfredo]

I don't do that, instead I stick to what seems relevant to respond to with the knowledge I have. Otherwise, I may read something but not respond.

OK, then we understand.

 

[DrDengrot]

Stop it now! The garage is already built and the thread has completely derailed. Hammarband has always been laid flat on top of the upright studs just as väggband always is and has been recessed into the upright studs. All other invented terms are wrong.
The discussion is over.

https://sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Väggband
https://sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammarband
Well, apparently not everyone agrees on the difference between väggband and hammarband.... Or if there is one. Or if "it depends"....
And in some cases, it is called röstband, for the short side's walls.