I know that one "should" screw deck boards - but if you lay 28mm boards and nail them with 100mm nails into solid material, how big is the risk of them creeping up really?
Feels like 100mm should hold _very_ well.
Ring shank nails are an option, but regular 100mm appeals to me more as it doesn't completely tear the nail hole if you need to remove it.
I can add that all the decks I have seen where the nails have crawled up were nailed with about 60mm nails. I understand that they pop out after a while, especially if you don't take care of the deck.
Check out Essve's new method for nailing discreetly, I would never do it just from above as you would have to keep knocking it down for the rest of your life.
Absolutely - but it's an investment of a whole bunch of thousands since I don't have a compressor, and I haven't even started buying nails yet.
The question is how likely it is for 4” nails to creep out, I see it as quite unlikely but I'm not entirely 100% sure.
I know that one "should" screw decking floors - but if you lay 28mm boards and nail them with 100mm nails into solid material, how great is the risk really that they creep up?
Feels like 100mm should hold _very_ well.
Ring shank nails are an option, but regular 100mm appeals to me more since they don't completely tear the nail hole if you need to take them out.
I nailed a deck with 75 mm nails 10 years ago, nothing has moved a mm.
Sorry if I'm hijacking the thread a bit. But I have decking that seems impossible to secure properly. I've tried absolutely everything. But no matter what I do, the movement of the wood (expanding and drying out) causes the decking to become loose after a while.
What is really the absolute best fastening? In my case, it might be that the wood is of poor quality.
Excuse me if I hijack the thread a bit. But I have deck planks that seem impossible to fasten properly. I've tried everything. No matter what I do, the movement of the wood (expands and dries out) makes the planks come loose after a while.
What is really the absolute best fastening? In my case, it might be the timber is of poor quality.
I _think_ that one of the things important for reducing movement should be to wash and oil the deck every year. This reduces the amount of moisture the wood absorbs and then releases.
When it absorbs moisture, it expands (think of particle board as an example).
But the strongest fastening right now is probably screws. But does it loosen so badly that the screws dig into the wood, or how does it move?
I've been thinking about that oil thing. As soon as the weather is a bit humid, the decking is super stable. It's like it's swollen and lies completely still and rigid.
The people I've talked to so far have said that oil doesn't saturate the wood in that way. That it hardly decreases the movement in the wood. The oil basically just sits on the surface. But maybe that's not true?
Previously had a nailed deck that was oiled every year but it made no difference, the nails still stuck up. Would go and knock them down but it was the same thing again later.
I just can't understand why everyone is messing around with wooden decks. Why not stone straight away? Why not a tile deck at least? What are the disadvantages of such a product?
I don't understand why everyone keeps fussing with wooden decks. Why not stone straight up? Why not at least a tiled deck? What are the disadvantages of such a product?
Our deck was nailed (by the previous owner at least 10 years ago) with what I believe is stainless grooved nails with a domed head, if I remember correctly they are 75 long.
They hold like hell and I've never ever needed to hammer down a single one in the 6 years we've lived here. The picture is taken inside the sunroom but it's nailed both outside and inside.
I've been thinking about that with oil. As soon as it's a bit damp outside, the deck is super stable. Then it has swollen and lies completely still and rigid.
Those I've talked to so far have said that oil doesn't saturate the wood in such a way. That it hardly reduces the movement in the wood. The oil basically just sits on the surface. But maybe that's not true?
it probably depends on what type of oil you have and how you apply it. If you use Beckers' fantastic oil, you get 10-20% in the can according to the building declaration and 80-90% water.
So I understand if not much oil penetrates since it becomes saturated with water instead :-D
linolja applied warm, on the other hand, gives a completely different effect
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