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J jonaserik said:
Have never written anything like that
OK read it as if you didn't think there was anything in Hus AMA about the execution of the trim. But I obviously misunderstood you, my bad!
 
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If there are prevailing smygar, the end of the wood will be visible if the handrail is mounted on top of the side smygar.
 
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J jonaserik said:
no-brainer why then, it should just stay put and not fall down, maybe too little glue, more of that sort and it would have stayed in place.
And if you don't crash, you don't need either seat belts or airbags.
Maybe because it happens too fast, too often.
 
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Hi!
We have been living in our house for about nine years. So obviously not everything is completely "new" anymore. But one day when I went through the front door, the wooden door surround unexpectedly fell on me. Luckily, I still had my bike helmet on. However, the board hit my hand, and I got a bruise there.

The surround was glued, and I don't know how long the glue is supposed to last, but it's quite alarming that it can fail to the extent that the board falls down...

Then we started looking at the actual construction and saw that the horizontal surround board is clamped between the vertical boards. If it had instead been placed on top of the vertical ones, it would have been held in place and couldn't have fallen. Wouldn't that have been a better construction? Does anyone know if there is a building standard for this kind of thing? The surround boards came pre-cut from the house company, so it wasn't the carpenters who made the mistake.

I'm discussing this with the house company and they've sent a construction drawing showing they've done it correctly, but I would argue that if so, the drawing is wrong.

Does anyone know if there's any building standard for this? For me, not being in the industry but working at a desk, it's still crystal clear that one should mount the boards in a way that they don't risk falling on one's head when entering through the front door. That is, the horizontal on top of the vertical.

Sure, we could screw the board in place ourselves so it stays properly... but now it's become a bit of a principle for me... so what do you say, what's the best way to mount a surround?
Over these nine years, you've probably bumped into it or someone has pulled on it, so eventually, the glue gave way and came off. Maintenance of interior fittings should obviously be done, but to contact the builder nine years later because a glued trim has come off. Come on! 🙈
 
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The top rail is mounted between the sides, everything else doesn't look very good. AMA does not cover this. However, one needs to ensure that the parts are secure; clips are probably the most convenient solution, complemented with a bit of brad nails.

Where it wasn't possible, the side pieces were nailed into the top piece before they were assembled, making the mounting completely hidden.
 
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I disagree with the above, you place the top rail first and then the sides, this is just common sense, and ensures that the issue TS is experiencing can never arise.
 
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We have built a house with Hjältevadshus and they place the transom between the sidostycken. We've also visited friends with Smålandsvillan and Eksjöhus where it looked the same. But then it's nailed with dyckert and not "just" glued.
 
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Rejäl said:
I disagree with the above, you place the top rail first and then the sides, this is common sense, and ensures that TS's problem can never occur.
Then the end grain is visible on the top rail.
 
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J JBa said:
Then the end grain will be visible on the top piece.
Yes, that is the best result you can achieve with pre-painted reveals, if you nail or screw it will be more noticeable..
It's only the material thickness that shows on the right and left, which the painter should soft seal against the wall and paint over..
 
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Rejäl said:
Yes, that’s the best result you can get with pre-painted reveals; if you nail or screw them, it becomes more noticeable.
It's just the material thickness visible to the right and left that the painter has to caulk against the wall and paint in...
Or you can just install it with the sides facing up, so you don't have to paint the reveal. I have installed a few thousand meters of reveal and have never encountered either a builder or a client who wishes for the top piece to be mounted first. If you just attach them properly, it's a non-issue. If you rely solely on the sides, there's a risk the reveal will start to sag instead; MDF is soft.

The time when things were painted on-site passed many decades ago, for better or worse.
 
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L Liljeros said:
Or you can just set it with the sides facing up so you don't have to paint in the reveal, I've installed a few thousand meters of reveal and I've never encountered either a builder or a buyer who wants the overhang to be installed first. If you just secure them properly, it becomes a non-issue. Relying solely on the sides, there's a risk the reveal will start sagging instead, MDF is soft.
It doesn’t sag more because it's wedged with the sides, what were you thinking there?
L Liljeros said:
The time when things were painted on-site is long gone, for better or worse.
Yes, in prefabricated houses it’s this way because everything needs to be so cheap and simple, but when building with timber with trim around the perimeter, you still use pine reveals which give a completely different result when painted on-site 😊
 
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It doesn't hang more just because it's squeezed by the sides, how did you think there?
No, it doesn't make a difference, you simply have to fasten the lining properly. The most common today is routed groove in the frame or clips. The worst scenario is when there are partition walls with metal studs and then folded vapor barrier. Then you can't nail or glue, if you're lucky there's at least plywood in the wall so you can try to hit that.

Rejäl said:
Yes, in prefabricated houses it's this way since everything needs to be cheap and simple, but when you build with loose timber with molding around the frame, people still use pine linings which give a completely different result when painted on site 😊
Yes, I apply that when building myself but out of old habit, I probably still put the lining between first then too. I prefer to set the linings at an angle of 5-6 degrees, I find it easier with the sides first.
 
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L Liljeros said:
No, it makes no difference; you simply have to fasten the trim properly. The most common today is a routed groove in the frame or clips. The worst scenario is when there are partition walls with metal studs and then folded vapor barrier.
Which small houses are built with metal studs in external walls?

Saying that finishing nails can't penetrate the vapor barrier is going a bit too far...
L Liljeros said:
Yes, I apply that if I'm building myself, but probably out of old habit, I still fit the trim first then too. I prefer to set the trim at an angle of 5-6 degrees, finding it easier to do the sides first.
I have built stick-built houses my entire career and always set the top piece first, regardless of whether it is unpainted or painted before installation..
 
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Of course, you place the horizontal trim between the vertical ones to avoid seeing the ends of the horizontal trim from the sides. At least if the carpenter has some professional pride...
 
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Yes, you usually place an overlying smyg as in TS's picture. But of course, you make sure it's attached securely. It also looks the most aesthetically pleasing to do so.
 
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