Professional rule vs. standard rule

[selstam]

Hi!

I was at Hornbach the other day and browsing, but we were there quite late so there was a lack of informed staff.

We tried to get an explanation of the difference between "proffsregel" and "vanlig" regel. Does anyone know the difference? The price differed by about 2kr per meter.

Regards,
Andreas Selstam

 

[Bob_the_builder]

I've never been to Hornbach and don't know their product names at all, but I can make a guess anyway...

It's likely related to sorting. Most low-price chains (e.g., Bauhaus, Silvan, etc.) sell lower-grade lumber, which at least used to be called sorting 6 (VI). That's probably what's referred to as "standard beam." The professional-grade beam is of better sorting, probably "quint"=5=V.
Quint is straighter, has fewer cracks, knots, and wane than the lower grades.

If this is the background to Hornbach's product names (I can't really see any other reason), I can absolutely recommend buying the professional-grade beam. A wall framed with crooked lumber won't turn out well...

 

[selstam]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I concluded too. If you look at Byggmax and other discount stores, the timber is often very dry (as hard as 17 to nail) and also far from straight.

Best regards,
Andreas Selstam

 

[norrlandshus_sthlm]

check out the wood at k-rauta

very nice wood for reasonable money anyway. in bromma and sollentuna

 

[selstam]

K-Rauta charges 9.50 per linear meter (45 x 70) and Hornbach charges 10.20 I think for pro-grade wood.

If you need short lengths (2500 mm), K-Rauta charges 9.28 (if I haven't miscalculated) ... but I have no idea about the quality.

Best regards,
Andreas Selstam

 

[MathiasS]

I work at Byggmax and we get the timber from Swedish Moelven (applies to northern Sweden). You'll have to look far to find straighter and nicer framing timber. At our facility, we have the timber outside on rack systems, so it doesn't become dry, warped, or hard to nail. I know there are Byggmax facilities that get their timber from other Swedish sawmills or maybe store it indoors, and then it becomes dry, but that's not the case everywhere.

Warped timber is almost non-existent at our facility, and we hardly discard anything due to faulty timber. I've never heard of "proffsregel" (pro-regel) either when I worked as a carpenter or afterwards. Could it be that they are pre-cut lengths of 2.40 meters or similar??

Which Byggmax do you work at? It can't be in Tumba or Arninge.....

However, it should be said that the studs I emergency-bought in Tumba a month ago were actually really fine. Heavy as heck (though a smaller excavator was required to get to the good pieces).

 

[Immobil]

(however, a small excavator was needed to get to the goodies).

;D ;D ;D

 

[MathiasS]

I work in Falun.

Yes, that's what I thought.

It's nice to hear that there are Byggmax stores with order among the wooden sticks!

 

[selstam]

In my case, it was Byggmax in Kållered, and it was really difficult to find straight timber. However, Byggmax is very close to where I live, which makes it hard to stay away from there!

Best regards,
Andreas Selstam

 

[ledighetskommiten]

hp: I live in Umeå. The lumber from Byggmax there definitely doesn't match your description. It's clearly warped in all directions.
selstam: I've never experienced it being dry. Rather, it's too moist and when you bring it home and it starts to dry, it takes a shape that resembles some special straw the kids would cheer for. It's a real Helsinki if you're trying to make a list.

 

[wikmats]

I have shopped a batch of the cheapest 45x45 at Byggmax (Gothenburg) and it has been anything but straight... Now I am about to insulate the attic and definitely planning to invest in "proffsregel", even though it is about 2:- more expensive per meter.

 

[tiggre]

the last load of 45/95 from byggmax was of really great quality... (managed to get 4 pieces from the same tree among others)

so it seems they've got it under control now

(byggmax upplands väsby)

 

[sirbo]

There's always some lower quality wood in a good delivery and some better in a bad one. As always when buying wood, you have to scrutinize each piece. And sure, it takes some time.

Does anyone have tips on where to turn to now and actually order and be guaranteed to get good wood delivered?
The wood isn't the expensive part in a construction, so if it costs 20% more, it feels like it doesn't matter.

 

[LennartL]

Is there anyone who has tips on where you can now turn to actually order and definitely get good wood?

What I've learned is that the best way seems to be to buy entire wrapped lumber packages from a supplier. That way, I get everything either good or quite good, and a small amount of "bad" which I use where quality doesn't matter. The alternative is to watch when deliveries arrive at the lumber yard to pick out the good pieces - and leave the later buyers with the scraps

There seems to be a random "mix" of good and bad in all lumber packages from all sawmills on what you buy at the lumber yards. Maybe you can special order from the sawmills, but I guess that would cost a fortune.