Hello everyone!
Here's a quick note on the price of lightweight concrete blocks. Consider it as a guideline, not exact figures.
Ytong from Yxhult or Siporex building blocks from H+HCelcon cost about 435-450kr/m2 including VAT.
These figures are most likely based on purchasing a larger quantity of building blocks (such as enough to construct the frame of an entire house).
Note that this price does not include adhesive, shipping, mesh, plaster, paint, and possibly insulation if desired.
In addition to Yxhult and H+HCelcon, there are other foreign manufacturers of lightweight concrete blocks that might be of interest:
* German Hebel
* Estonian Aeroc (cheap alternative to Yxhult)
* Polish Ytong (very good prices compared to Sweden)
Best regards, Stefan
Here's a quick note on the price of lightweight concrete blocks. Consider it as a guideline, not exact figures.
Ytong from Yxhult or Siporex building blocks from H+HCelcon cost about 435-450kr/m2 including VAT.
These figures are most likely based on purchasing a larger quantity of building blocks (such as enough to construct the frame of an entire house).
Note that this price does not include adhesive, shipping, mesh, plaster, paint, and possibly insulation if desired.
In addition to Yxhult and H+HCelcon, there are other foreign manufacturers of lightweight concrete blocks that might be of interest:
* German Hebel
* Estonian Aeroc (cheap alternative to Yxhult)
* Polish Ytong (very good prices compared to Sweden)
Best regards, Stefan
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Aren't you a gem? ! !
This is what the forum is for. Many thanks for this excellent information.
Do you know the prices for wider blocks? What I mentioned above for Ytong/Siporex had a width of ~350mm. If you use 200mm in the outer walls, insulation is probably required to get a decent U-value
Regards, Stefan
Aren't you a gem? ! !
This is what the forum is for. Many thanks for this excellent information.
Do you know the prices for wider blocks? What I mentioned above for Ytong/Siporex had a width of ~350mm. If you use 200mm in the outer walls, insulation is probably required to get a decent U-value
Regards, Stefan
Hello again!
That was a loooong list of products and my Polish is a bit rusty
I assume BLOCZKI stands for "blocks", "BELKA" for beam, and "Cena netto loco zakad" net cost something (including Polish VAT?). But what does "NADPROA ZESPOLONEGO YF" mean and what type of transport are the columns below referring to?
"Przybliona cena penego transportu"
and
"Przybliona cena penego transportu z rozadunkiem"
The 10,000kr you mentioned earlier sounds very cheap for a truck unless you have a little deal with the driver ;D
Does anyone know what customs on construction products from Poland might cost?
Regards, Stefan :
That was a loooong list of products and my Polish is a bit rusty
I assume BLOCZKI stands for "blocks", "BELKA" for beam, and "Cena netto loco zakad" net cost something (including Polish VAT?). But what does "NADPROA ZESPOLONEGO YF" mean and what type of transport are the columns below referring to?
"Przybliona cena penego transportu"
and
"Przybliona cena penego transportu z rozadunkiem"
The 10,000kr you mentioned earlier sounds very cheap for a truck unless you have a little deal with the driver ;D
Does anyone know what customs on construction products from Poland might cost?
Regards, Stefan :
So now I've checked a bit. If you need to declare everything, I went on the customs website and checked a bit. You have to pay 25% VAT on material + shipping. It was a bit unclear which tariff to choose, so I picked stone blocks and bricks, which resulted in an additional 2% to be paid. There are also phone numbers you can call for assistance.
If you buy in Poland, it will be tax-free as you won't need to pay VAT in Poland. The VAT in Poland is around 22%. It's not certain you'll get everything back, but about 18% shouldn't be a problem.
I must say, however, that a 24-ton truck costs about 8000 SEK; I called two freight forwarders. I thought you could drive 42-ton trucks in Poland, but you can't.
How much discount did you get at Yxhult? Expect to get the same discount in Poland if you buy a lot.
Best regards,
Jörgen
P.S. When you're there, you might as well buy clinker and similar items to fill up the truck.
Jörgen
If you buy in Poland, it will be tax-free as you won't need to pay VAT in Poland. The VAT in Poland is around 22%. It's not certain you'll get everything back, but about 18% shouldn't be a problem.
I must say, however, that a 24-ton truck costs about 8000 SEK; I called two freight forwarders. I thought you could drive 42-ton trucks in Poland, but you can't.
How much discount did you get at Yxhult? Expect to get the same discount in Poland if you buy a lot.
Best regards,
Jörgen
P.S. When you're there, you might as well buy clinker and similar items to fill up the truck.
Jörgen
Just have to say that the shipping is insanely cheap... calculate the hourly rate on that and you'll see.
Or: Send a taxi to Poland with a fifteen-gram envelope and compare.
Do you have to pay extra VAT on shipping from a Swedish carrier? You pay VAT when the invoice arrives, right?
Or: Send a taxi to Poland with a fifteen-gram envelope and compare.
Do you have to pay extra VAT on shipping from a Swedish carrier? You pay VAT when the invoice arrives, right?
The translation you did matches well. The transport with or without unloading probably only applies in Poland, but you can ask. This is an extra cost if you do not pick up the stone yourself. I received a price list from Beijers where transport from Denmark would cost 300-450 SEK/ton depending on where you lived. Assuming you need 60 tons at 350 SEK/ton, it becomes 21,000 SEK, how can they justify that?
So if you need to transport something, call a freight forwarder!
Karl 12:
Do you have to pay extra VAT on the shipping from a Swedish freight forwarder? You pay VAT when the invoice arrives?
Try calling Customs; they have an information service. I was a bit tired when I spoke with her.
http://www.tullverket.se/
So if you need to transport something, call a freight forwarder!
Karl 12:
Do you have to pay extra VAT on the shipping from a Swedish freight forwarder? You pay VAT when the invoice arrives?
Try calling Customs; they have an information service. I was a bit tired when I spoke with her.
http://www.tullverket.se/
Hello there!
AC: The reason I wrote "lim" was that this is exactly what H+HCelcon specifies in their prices. Thanks for the description above made by Jörgen!
I wonder if it might be the thin-joint glue variant used for Yxhults Ytong as well, but they use the term "cement"? I assume the glue is a form of cement or?!
Regarding U[sub]vägg[/sub]: the value for the entire wall can never be better than the insulation itself, right? Maybe I haven't grasped the concept of the U-value?! You always aim to achieve as low U-values as possible, right?
Best regards, Stefan
AC: The reason I wrote "lim" was that this is exactly what H+HCelcon specifies in their prices. Thanks for the description above made by Jörgen!
I wonder if it might be the thin-joint glue variant used for Yxhults Ytong as well, but they use the term "cement"? I assume the glue is a form of cement or?!
Regarding U[sub]vägg[/sub]: the value for the entire wall can never be better than the insulation itself, right? Maybe I haven't grasped the concept of the U-value?! You always aim to achieve as low U-values as possible, right?
Best regards, Stefan
AC!
Ahhh clear as day! You have to keep your tongue in the right mouth ;D
Of course, the different layers each contribute their part to the insulation, making U[sub]wall[/sub] naturally "better" than just the insulation itself.
Thanks for the nice explanation above!
Best regards, Stefan
Ahhh clear as day! You have to keep your tongue in the right mouth ;D
Of course, the different layers each contribute their part to the insulation, making U[sub]wall[/sub] naturally "better" than just the insulation itself.
Thanks for the nice explanation above!
Best regards, Stefan
Lightweight concrete walls have quite high U-values, but I've heard that they are actually better in terms of energy efficiency than the values indicate because they have significant thermal inertia and also provide a tighter construction. If you compare directly with mineral wool (which insulates about 5 times better, meaning 40 cm of lightweight concrete is equivalent to 8 cm of mineral wool, while 4 cm of foam plastic would suffice), you should also remember the thermal bridges at the studs, etc.
I talked to a local Ytong seller the other day, and he said they stopped using glue and now use thin mortar joints. I was half-listening as this wasn't what I was interested in at the time. I also don’t know the difference between a glue joint and a mortar joint, and I wasn't planning to delve into it either, but instead let the mason do what he wanted. But now my interest is piqued. Can anyone explain the difference?
I talked to a local Ytong seller the other day, and he said they stopped using glue and now use thin mortar joints. I was half-listening as this wasn't what I was interested in at the time. I also don’t know the difference between a glue joint and a mortar joint, and I wasn't planning to delve into it either, but instead let the mason do what he wanted. But now my interest is piqued. Can anyone explain the difference?
Hi!
Does anyone know the prices for Ytong from Estonian Aeroc? According to a press clip I saw earlier on the web, the intention is for them to compete with Yxhult, which otherwise seems to be the dominant player in the Swedish (Scandinavian?) market.
Best regards, Stefan
Does anyone know the prices for Ytong from Estonian Aeroc? According to a press clip I saw earlier on the web, the intention is for them to compete with Yxhult, which otherwise seems to be the dominant player in the Swedish (Scandinavian?) market.
Best regards, Stefan
AC!
Oh oh, now there's another new concept in the picture, Lambda ???
Is it a typo or is Lambda the same thing as U-value? W/m2K vs. W/mK >
What differentiates the following values?
U = ?
U[sub]k[/sub] = ?
U[sub]vägg[/sub] = ?
K = ?
Lambda = ?
Best regards, confused Stefan :-[
Oh oh, now there's another new concept in the picture, Lambda ???
Is it a typo or is Lambda the same thing as U-value? W/m2K vs. W/mK >
What differentiates the following values?
U = ?
U[sub]k[/sub] = ?
U[sub]vägg[/sub] = ?
K = ?
Lambda = ?
Best regards, confused Stefan :-[