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[AG A]

No.

Great argument there. Was your intelligence not enough? Otherwise, tell me what the task of "hammarbandet" is, as well as a source for your claims.

 

[Nissens]

I think our friend, as usual, is careful to note that e.g., kp is not the same as kP, which is kilopascal. At the same time, he doesn't know that there should be a space between the numbers and the unit 😃

As usual, our friend mocks, you can clarify the concepts for all the uninformed.

 

[Nissens]

I refer to Wikipedia.
It's just that you are wrong. A beam is a much broader concept. A wall plate is the horizontal beam(s) on the long sides of the building. The purpose of the wall plate is to absorb the forces of the rafters and distribute them to the wall studs. If a lying 45×145 is not considered strong enough, the wall plate is made stronger. For example, by complementing with a "beam" on edge. The lying rule and the "beam" now together constitute the building's wall plate.
Wall plates are generally NOT constructed for lateral forces. The roof joists/rafters take those forces.

So you have no clue. Let me inform you that a stud is stiffer in one direction, and the wall plate is stiffest laterally because it is lying down. The rafters usually have 1200mm centers and the wall plates stiffen the walls laterally in between.
You keep showing that you have no clue. You absolutely cannot be a structural engineer. Every amateur who has ever erected a building knows more than you do about this.

 

[GK100]

Was there anything mentioned about posts where the knowledge was acquired?

Perhaps the nearby stolpskott?

 

[hhallen]

I think our friend, as usual, is careful that, for example, kp is not the same as kP, which is kilopascal. At the same time, he doesn't know that there should be a space between numbers and the unit 😃

No, kP is not kilopascal. Kilopascal is denoted as kPa. I'm not aware of any SI unit denoted with a capital P, and since a capital P is a prefix (meaning 10^15), it would be unlikely for a unit to also be denoted with a capital P.

 

[Jocke Best]

No, kP is not kilopascal. Kilopascal is denoted as kPa. I am not aware of any SI unit that is denoted with a capital P, and since a capital P is a prefix (meaning 10^15) it would be unlikely for any unit to also be denoted with a capital P.

Yes, exactly right, I was just trying to guess why Daniel109 responded the way he did. Boyle's law will still be difficult to apply here in the sparse garage if I remember my Ekbom correctly.

 

[Gillar att bygga]

Ok, 1kP = 9.8kN

That gives 60kP x 9.8 = 588kN per cm2

4.5x4.5 = 20.3 cm2

20.3x 588= 11,936 kN

That really sounds like very large numbers.

Doesn't feel reasonable.

Both you and Daniel have missed that 1 kp = 9.81 N (not 9.81 kN)
Now your numbers become reasonable and correct!

 

[Dilato]

It does happen that frameworks collapse before any sheathing or facade has been added.

I don't know if it's completely missing here, but clearly insufficient.
[media]

They are intentionally demolishing it with an excavator pushing from the right.

 

[Daniel 109]

Oops, I missed that error. 😳

 

[Fario]

In any case, impressed that TS is building a garage himself without carpentry experience. Cool.

 

[Nissens]

In any case, impressed that TS is building a garage himself without experience in carpentry. Cool.

Yes, I've made that journey too. My experience is that it took just as long to figure out how everything should be done best as it did to actually carry it out. The biggest challenge was the interior work with winter insulation.
But it's a good school. 😊

 

[Jocke Best]

Yes, I made that journey too. My experience is that it took as long to figure out how everything should be done best as it did to actually complete it. The biggest challenge was the work inside with the winterizing.
But it's a good school. 😊

Same here but with carport 👍

 

[AG A]

You clearly have no clue. I can inform you that a beam is stiffer in one direction, and the ridge beam is stiffest sideways because it is laid flat. The trusses usually have 1200mm cc, and the ridge beams brace the walls sideways between them.
You repeatedly show that you have no clue. You simply cannot be a building engineer. Every amateur who has ever built a structure knows more than you about this.

What cc is typically used between the wall studs? The ridge beam, as is well-known, is supported by the wall studs. When designing, you need to know the load and its distribution. Is it an evenly distributed load or a point load?
Then you need to know the span, meaning the distance between the supporting points under the ridge beam.
No matter how dumb you may be, I thought you knew where the ridge beam is located. But since you apparently think the ridge beam is above the trusses, it's not surprising that you don't believe the ridge beam supports the trusses.

 

[Nissens]

What cc is normally used between the wall studs? The wall plate is known to be supported by the wall studs. When you calculate dimensions, you need to know the load and its distribution. Is it a uniformly distributed load or a point load?
Then you need to know the span, that is, how far it is between the supporting points under the wall plate.
No matter how dumb you may be, I thought you knew where the wall plate is located. But since you apparently think that the wall plate is above the roof trusses, it's not surprising that you don't think the wall plate supports the roof trusses.

What nonsense. No one actually thinks that the wall plate is on top of the roof trusses. It's incomprehensible how you came to that conclusion.

But even all amateurs know that a stud is stiffer in the direction it is the widest. The wall plates are stiffest horizontally because they are laid flat. That's why TS has an embedded beam in their construction. Without it, the flat wall plates would bow significantly. When I build a frame, I prefer to place the standing wall studs under the roof trusses, then I don't need to embed a beam except to span above doors and windows.

The wall plates help stiffen the outer wall so it doesn't bow between the roof trusses and, of course, they keep the wall studs in place.

I don't think we'll get any further with this discussion, I have a grasp on this construction, but you seem to have your own version.

Have a nice weekend! 😊

 

[Namnet]

I've skimmed through the thread. But my first thought on the first post and the first picture from TS is that there are missing STRÄVOR!