Well.. I believe you remove 100 insulation + reinforce a little extra there, so the slab becomes thicker there. Preferably supplemented with XPS as well.EmMi said:
Or?
-Casting is fun (beam and new concrete slab...completed well during the holidays 2005).EmMi said:
-Installing the insert and pipe wasn't so difficult - mostly heavy - full-scale lego.
-I didn't do the masonry myself, so I can't comment on that. It looks quite simple, but that usually means it's quite difficult. It's heavy, anyway.
-Plastering - by far the hardest. If you can't get a meticulous plasterer, the entire visual impression is ruined.
-Last week, we FINALLY got the stone slabs for the stove. Unfortunately, they weren't cut correctly, so that will need to be redone. We haven't painted the stove yet because there will be some additional plastering when the stone slabs are in place.
Thanks for the advice, we will do some parts ourselves and get help for some parts. So it might be good to get help with the actual construction (so it doesn't collapse), as well as visible plaster. How about the actual chimney above the roof, outside of the house then, difficult? It probably needs to be designed in some correct way?
What type of internal pipes have you used?
What type of internal pipes have you used?
We have a Schiedel Steel 60 chimney that goes all the way up. This is because we have wood close to the chimney. Schiedel's Steel-60 construction is approved to have 0 mm to combustible material. The chimney visible on the roof is a wooden box clad with sheet metal.
Here is the shaft through the upper floor:
http://www.fasting65.se/byggdagbok/dagboken/augusti/2003-08-24/IMG_1900.jpg
Here the wooden box is mounted on the roof, which is later clad with sheet metal:
http://www.fasting65.se/byggdagbok/dagboken/augusti/2003-08-24/IMG_1903.jpg
Inside the chimney fits both the duct to the kitchen and the heating appliance's Schiedel chimney. Here I am mounting the duct:
http://www.fasting65.se/byggdagbok/dagboken/04_augusti/09-07/web/IMG_3722.jpg
Clad with sheet metal but without a roof:
http://www.fasting65.se/byggdagbok/dagboken/04_september/09-19/web/IMG_3753.jpg
Here you can see the insert and the Schiedel chimney... Between them is a piece of uninsulated pipe since the Schiedel elbows were so expensive. We don't need insulated pipes inside the stove itself.
http://www.fasting65.se/byggdagbok/dagboken/06_augusti/web-23/IMG_7478.jpg
Here you can see the stove with two cast concrete beams in the construction. Note that we have a minerit board in the ceiling. After the photo was taken, we also added >10 cm of mineral wool up there and then laid the last layer of bricks:
http://www.fasting65.se/byggdagbok/dagboken/06_september/web/IMG_7563.jpg
Here is the shaft through the upper floor:
http://www.fasting65.se/byggdagbok/dagboken/augusti/2003-08-24/IMG_1900.jpg
Here the wooden box is mounted on the roof, which is later clad with sheet metal:
http://www.fasting65.se/byggdagbok/dagboken/augusti/2003-08-24/IMG_1903.jpg
Inside the chimney fits both the duct to the kitchen and the heating appliance's Schiedel chimney. Here I am mounting the duct:
http://www.fasting65.se/byggdagbok/dagboken/04_augusti/09-07/web/IMG_3722.jpg
Clad with sheet metal but without a roof:
http://www.fasting65.se/byggdagbok/dagboken/04_september/09-19/web/IMG_3753.jpg
Here you can see the insert and the Schiedel chimney... Between them is a piece of uninsulated pipe since the Schiedel elbows were so expensive. We don't need insulated pipes inside the stove itself.
http://www.fasting65.se/byggdagbok/dagboken/06_augusti/web-23/IMG_7478.jpg
Here you can see the stove with two cast concrete beams in the construction. Note that we have a minerit board in the ceiling. After the photo was taken, we also added >10 cm of mineral wool up there and then laid the last layer of bricks:
http://www.fasting65.se/byggdagbok/dagboken/06_september/web/IMG_7563.jpg
Is your cassette one with a lid that opens upwards? What brand is it? I like when there is a lot of glass and few edges that cover. Ideally, I would have a completely open fire, but that doesn't work well... May I ask what the pricing looks like for your solution, the cassette and material for masonry, beams, etc.?
We have only bricked the part visible in the living room. You could say it's a bit of a fake fireplace because there is no brick chimney all the way up. Above the living room, there's just a shaft built from wooden studs. Upstairs, it looks like a regular wall (i.e., OSB and drywall).
The insert—or the surround fireplace—is called Spartherm Varia CH, and the door is lifted up. It's a single glass pane without metal corners. Hence the high price. The glass pane is not cheap (we know because we cracked the glass. Good thing we have home insurance). It is imported by Natureline in Sweden Natureline.se. Unfortunately, it's pretty expensive in Sweden, so we bought it in Poland for about 20,000 cheaper. The transport cost about 1,000 SEK. Sure, we didn’t have type approval, but with a pragmatic chimney sweep, you simply build the fireplace as if it were an open fire (10 cm of air behind the fireplace, and a 12 cm thick fireproof wall of brick behind. We also have a minerit board behind the fireproof wall).
I've specified the material price fairly well in my first post in this thread. Additionally, there is the labor cost, which is very variable depending on WHO does what. We've done quite a lot, but sure, a bricklayer has probably worked 3–5 days to brick and 3–5 days with the plastering... maybe.
The insert—or the surround fireplace—is called Spartherm Varia CH, and the door is lifted up. It's a single glass pane without metal corners. Hence the high price. The glass pane is not cheap (we know because we cracked the glass. Good thing we have home insurance). It is imported by Natureline in Sweden Natureline.se. Unfortunately, it's pretty expensive in Sweden, so we bought it in Poland for about 20,000 cheaper. The transport cost about 1,000 SEK. Sure, we didn’t have type approval, but with a pragmatic chimney sweep, you simply build the fireplace as if it were an open fire (10 cm of air behind the fireplace, and a 12 cm thick fireproof wall of brick behind. We also have a minerit board behind the fireproof wall).
I've specified the material price fairly well in my first post in this thread. Additionally, there is the labor cost, which is very variable depending on WHO does what. We've done quite a lot, but sure, a bricklayer has probably worked 3–5 days to brick and 3–5 days with the plastering... maybe.
Oh right, sorry, you already specified! Perfect, then you get a sense of the total amount.
Can anyone buy materials from Poland, or do you need private contacts there?
Yes, I recall looking at a Spartherm and they were around 32-48,000 kronor.
Can anyone buy materials from Poland, or do you need private contacts there?
Yes, I recall looking at a Spartherm and they were around 32-48,000 kronor.
The material for you cost around 6175:- (about 9675:- if you count at 8:-/brick). You have built up to the ceiling, ceiling height 2.5m.
We have a higher ceiling height, around 4.1 meters, the question is whether you have to build all the way up or if you can cheat a bit the last 2 meters in the same way you did on the upper floor? We will need to build on the upper floor as well since we have an open fireplace there too. I assume. The question is whether you maybe don't need to build up the entire lower floor as well for the bearing capacity of the fireplace on the upper floor? Although, we probably need a steel or glulam beam in connection with the fireplace to support the upper floor, but that can't be taken down because of the weight of the upper fireplace, right? This beam might not have to go all the way up, but end below the intermediate floor...
Shit...how little one knows...
We have a higher ceiling height, around 4.1 meters, the question is whether you have to build all the way up or if you can cheat a bit the last 2 meters in the same way you did on the upper floor? We will need to build on the upper floor as well since we have an open fireplace there too. I assume. The question is whether you maybe don't need to build up the entire lower floor as well for the bearing capacity of the fireplace on the upper floor? Although, we probably need a steel or glulam beam in connection with the fireplace to support the upper floor, but that can't be taken down because of the weight of the upper fireplace, right? This beam might not have to go all the way up, but end below the intermediate floor...
Shit...how little one knows...
One can probably do it in several ways, but much depends on construction solutions. You'll probably need to consult a contractor who has experience in building fireplaces.
Liber has a book called Murning M5 Öppna spisar ISBN:978-91-47-01268-8.
There you will find some construction-related information on how a fireplace is built with brick.
Liber has a book called Murning M5 Öppna spisar ISBN:978-91-47-01268-8.
There you will find some construction-related information on how a fireplace is built with brick.
It's just a matter of heading down there to shop.... kind of. I bought the stove from here: Haginz - in the village of Zukowo, about ten kilometers from Gdansk.
I emailed the owner Hubert Hinc and sorted out some details before the trip to Poland. Later, we went down on a shopping trip where we also visited Hubert. When we then returned home, we ordered the stove.
Hubert also arranged for a pallet of bricks. When both the stove and the bricks were in place in Zukowo, CHartwig (a transport company) was contacted, and later everything came home to us with Schenker. The Schenker driver was anything but happy about how Poles load bricks onto a pallet. Here in Sweden, the brick pallets are ridiculously small compared to Poland
Here is where Zukowo is located: http://world.maporama.com/idl/mapor..._zoomToFit=0&MD_size=500x380&GC_addressCode=0
Between Gdansk and Gdynia, there's an old place called Sopot. A very nice spot. Recommended to stay and vacation there for a week in combination with building material shopping.
I emailed the owner Hubert Hinc and sorted out some details before the trip to Poland. Later, we went down on a shopping trip where we also visited Hubert. When we then returned home, we ordered the stove.
Hubert also arranged for a pallet of bricks. When both the stove and the bricks were in place in Zukowo, CHartwig (a transport company) was contacted, and later everything came home to us with Schenker. The Schenker driver was anything but happy about how Poles load bricks onto a pallet. Here in Sweden, the brick pallets are ridiculously small compared to Poland
Here is where Zukowo is located: http://world.maporama.com/idl/mapor..._zoomToFit=0&MD_size=500x380&GC_addressCode=0
Between Gdansk and Gdynia, there's an old place called Sopot. A very nice spot. Recommended to stay and vacation there for a week in combination with building material shopping.
I have been to Poland, but it was a few years ago, but we were in the areas of Gdansk and Gdynia... Yes, maybe it's time to go down there again then. We live in Västernorrland, so it's quite a distance to travel... and transport. But you're hesitant to order without having been there before?
Well, I would dare... Then it's just a question of whether the other party wants to do business that way. Hubert had no problem with it. However, I had more errands in Poland, so we swung by Zukowo to have a bit more personal contact.
