Sitting and calculating what material we need for the house and then I will send out a request for quotes to different building suppliers around the Stockholm area.
I guess I will end up with a total of around 250,000:-.
A few questions:
- Is it better to buy everything from the same vendor or are different vendors cheaper in different areas so that it balances out in the end?
- Who should I turn to? Is it cheapest to buy from the big building hubs?
- How much discount can one expect? I got, among other things, a 25% discount on appliances for the kitchen, can one expect that much discount on building materials?
Can you negotiate free shipping? What do they usually charge per load?
Grateful for any answers I can get since negotiations are not my strong suit. I'll do my best and hope to make some savings with some tips from a knowledgeable person here on the forum.
Maybe someone wants to help me and earn a sum on my purchases...
Best regards,
Kristofer
I guess I will end up with a total of around 250,000:-.
A few questions:
- Is it better to buy everything from the same vendor or are different vendors cheaper in different areas so that it balances out in the end?
- Who should I turn to? Is it cheapest to buy from the big building hubs?
- How much discount can one expect? I got, among other things, a 25% discount on appliances for the kitchen, can one expect that much discount on building materials?
Can you negotiate free shipping? What do they usually charge per load?
Grateful for any answers I can get since negotiations are not my strong suit. I'll do my best and hope to make some savings with some tips from a knowledgeable person here on the forum.
Maybe someone wants to help me and earn a sum on my purchases...
Best regards,
Kristofer
I assume it's a larger renovation project or extension.
Some reflections:
1. I assume it's not 250k money for lumber (because you'd have a heck of a lot of lumber.....). There are probably very few dealers who can provide you with exactly everything you want in all areas. Expect to shop from a couple of different suppliers and take advantage of promotions for, for example, windows.
2. K-ruta, Silvan, Bauhaus are just to forget. Find a local sawmill with a good range for lumber and sheet materials + rough building items. Fredells is probably one of the few that can arrange "everything," but even they lack, for example, in the range of tiles. ByggOle in Nacka also feels serious, but it's also on the wrong side of town.... You surely have some local alternatives.
3. It's no problem to have delivery included. The question is just how many times...... Both one and five times, you can surely negotiate, but you'll soon realize that there is so much material each time that it's completely unmanageable. I suggest you instead arrange for an easy way to pick up. http://www.blocket.se/view/4544194.htm?caller=shl_s&l=0&c=1&city=0
4. 25% straight across is probably difficult to achieve. For some items, it's not a problem, but I doubt you'll get it on everything.... 15% on list might be a good goal for lumber, but it also depends on what the list price is..... Byggmax is a good reference, I think. More expensive than that, it shouldn't be.
Some reflections:
1. I assume it's not 250k money for lumber (because you'd have a heck of a lot of lumber.....). There are probably very few dealers who can provide you with exactly everything you want in all areas. Expect to shop from a couple of different suppliers and take advantage of promotions for, for example, windows.
2. K-ruta, Silvan, Bauhaus are just to forget. Find a local sawmill with a good range for lumber and sheet materials + rough building items. Fredells is probably one of the few that can arrange "everything," but even they lack, for example, in the range of tiles. ByggOle in Nacka also feels serious, but it's also on the wrong side of town.... You surely have some local alternatives.
3. It's no problem to have delivery included. The question is just how many times...... Both one and five times, you can surely negotiate, but you'll soon realize that there is so much material each time that it's completely unmanageable. I suggest you instead arrange for an easy way to pick up. http://www.blocket.se/view/4544194.htm?caller=shl_s&l=0&c=1&city=0
4. 25% straight across is probably difficult to achieve. For some items, it's not a problem, but I doubt you'll get it on everything.... 15% on list might be a good goal for lumber, but it also depends on what the list price is..... Byggmax is a good reference, I think. More expensive than that, it shouldn't be.
The tip is to try to shop as much as you can in the same place and make it clear to them from the start that they can deliver everything. The exception can be items like tiles and appliances that can be purchased separately. The more they think they'll sell, the harder they'll work to secure the deal. Create a comprehensive material specification that you take with you. You shouldn't count on 25% off on timber. Don't compare percentage discounts, compare the final price instead! If you buy everything from the same place, you also have a better chance of getting help if something goes wrong. Many people get deceived by free transport; it gets compensated in another way. Do as Mathias suggests, get your own vehicle! All transports are a loss for building material retailers; a crane truck costs about 600-650 SEK per hour excluding VAT for the lumberyard. Check what you'll pay per delivery, and you'll see. The comparison with Byggmax is not entirely fair; they sell some stuff that costs accordingly. Of course, there are good items there too, but compare the quality, not just the price.
I think Mathias meant Byggmax price level. My experience is also that you can haggle down to Byggmax level at a regular lumberyard but instead get Swedish (quality-?) goods.
Exactly, the discount is really irrelevant, it's how much you pay for the gadgets that counts 
I agree that the word "demand" may not be appropriate. Talking about "expectation" might be better.Sonander said:
However, it's equally wrong to talk about "winning" a negotiation. Winning a negotiation with a supplier, you only do that once - you probably want to do business more than once at the same place and then this is the wrong mindset..... :
Some essentials as I see it.
A person on the supplier side who can build and is not just good at calculating.
A person you trust, someone you speak the same language as.
If there are defects in the material, you must be able to return it and have new material by the next day.
A couple of different alternative suppliers.
You must have done good planning, i.e., be very sure about construction time and material consumption, such as linear meters of panel, linear meters of 45*45, number of rolls of roofing felt…
I will pay about 500 for home delivery and then I have a whole truck. If you have plenty of time and lack capital, you should of course pick up yourself.
Regarding windows, you should join in on some campaign where you get 25% off immediately, and you can get an additional 10% if you have some volume.
Buy surfaces where it is cheapest, typical bait items.
Here's how I have done it.
Deal with a real lumberyard for the frame, basically everything. I reach a level equivalent to Byggmax. As a bonus, I get fast deliveries, competent suppliers, return rights, and environmentally certified products. When I built my Ballingslöv kitchen with new appliances, they were also unbeatable in price.
Deal with K-rauta for supplementary purchases; you don't get big discounts at K-rauta but, for example, 7% on timber, 15% on moldings, 15% on sealant, 10% on tiles and ceramics.
For water and sewage, I use either Sigro or RinkabyRör.
You reach about the same levels at most larger places. What makes the difference is the packaging, i.e., the service around it.
A person on the supplier side who can build and is not just good at calculating.
A person you trust, someone you speak the same language as.
If there are defects in the material, you must be able to return it and have new material by the next day.
A couple of different alternative suppliers.
You must have done good planning, i.e., be very sure about construction time and material consumption, such as linear meters of panel, linear meters of 45*45, number of rolls of roofing felt…
I will pay about 500 for home delivery and then I have a whole truck. If you have plenty of time and lack capital, you should of course pick up yourself.
Regarding windows, you should join in on some campaign where you get 25% off immediately, and you can get an additional 10% if you have some volume.
Buy surfaces where it is cheapest, typical bait items.
Here's how I have done it.
Deal with a real lumberyard for the frame, basically everything. I reach a level equivalent to Byggmax. As a bonus, I get fast deliveries, competent suppliers, return rights, and environmentally certified products. When I built my Ballingslöv kitchen with new appliances, they were also unbeatable in price.
Deal with K-rauta for supplementary purchases; you don't get big discounts at K-rauta but, for example, 7% on timber, 15% on moldings, 15% on sealant, 10% on tiles and ceramics.
For water and sewage, I use either Sigro or RinkabyRör.
You reach about the same levels at most larger places. What makes the difference is the packaging, i.e., the service around it.
hello
I went to the local sawmill which is a few km from my place and said that I will buy all the timber there for my cottage construction. I got 25% off all the timber and 15% off stuff that they have to buy in, e.g., plasterboard, chipboard. And I can also pay whenever I feel like it. And it is a really good service. The prices end up at the same level as Byggmax but with super good quality. Went to Byggmax a couple of times in the beginning, but you had to stand there for an hour to find a couple of straight beams.
I went to the local sawmill which is a few km from my place and said that I will buy all the timber there for my cottage construction. I got 25% off all the timber and 15% off stuff that they have to buy in, e.g., plasterboard, chipboard. And I can also pay whenever I feel like it. And it is a really good service. The prices end up at the same level as Byggmax but with super good quality. Went to Byggmax a couple of times in the beginning, but you had to stand there for an hour to find a couple of straight beams.
I can only inform you that Skanska & Co has a 60% discount on Beijer byggmaterial. The question is just which price list because they play around with several different ones. I think you should get at least a 25% discount on everything. There must be someone who is interested. Check a bit outside of Stockholm too. Just keep an eye on them. Make sure they deliver on everything.
Challe
Challe
I'm not well-versed in the construction market, but that Skanska gets a 60% discount seems not at all impossible...styrman1 said:
Compare with:
In the 90s, Saab negotiated the discount on SKF's drills, mills, and other cutting tools. Saab was offered 85% (eighty-five!) off the normal price list. That was too little!!! Saab chose another supplier!
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