Hello.
Our problem is that we want the staircase to be as short as possible.
The staircase should be right-angled, starting at the outer wall and turning directly to the right and up between the joists, thus having 1155mm of space to work with there.
The staircase should look something like the attached image, although it will likely be of a different material and railing, but the image works well as a conceptual sketch.
However, the staircase needs to be as short as possible because there will be a door underneath, just like in the picture.
The door must be as far to the left as possible.
The door is module 9x21, meaning the upper edge of the trim will be about 215 cm above the floor. I plan to simply have the uppermost steps above the door.
The ceiling height is 250 cm and floor-to-floor is about 278 cm. The width of the staircase should be something standard, like 850-1000 mm, which I think will be suitable.
I assume I need at least 15 steps to have a somewhat comfortable staircase (step height = 185mm), or might I need 16? (174mm).
How close to the left wall (the outer wall) do you think I can place the door?
This is the question I need answered soon, so I can start framing the interior walls for these rooms. The upper floor, and thus the staircase itself, is a project for a year or so in the future, so I wasn't planning to order (or make myself?) a staircase just now. I just want to prepare enough space.
Our problem is that we want the staircase to be as short as possible.
The staircase should be right-angled, starting at the outer wall and turning directly to the right and up between the joists, thus having 1155mm of space to work with there.
The staircase should look something like the attached image, although it will likely be of a different material and railing, but the image works well as a conceptual sketch.
However, the staircase needs to be as short as possible because there will be a door underneath, just like in the picture.
The door must be as far to the left as possible.
The door is module 9x21, meaning the upper edge of the trim will be about 215 cm above the floor. I plan to simply have the uppermost steps above the door.
The ceiling height is 250 cm and floor-to-floor is about 278 cm. The width of the staircase should be something standard, like 850-1000 mm, which I think will be suitable.
I assume I need at least 15 steps to have a somewhat comfortable staircase (step height = 185mm), or might I need 16? (174mm).
How close to the left wall (the outer wall) do you think I can place the door?
This is the question I need answered soon, so I can start framing the interior walls for these rooms. The upper floor, and thus the staircase itself, is a project for a year or so in the future, so I wasn't planning to order (or make myself?) a staircase just now. I just want to prepare enough space.
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couldn't really let this go... 
Same step height/depth, first step at an angle with the outer wall, 5 steps in the turn, 9 straight steps (+1 step "upper floor's floor) then you should be able to set the door 2550 from the outer wall?
But maybe better that someone who really knows this gives you a more accurate measure!?
Same step height/depth, first step at an angle with the outer wall, 5 steps in the turn, 9 straight steps (+1 step "upper floor's floor) then you should be able to set the door 2550 from the outer wall?
But maybe better that someone who really knows this gives you a more accurate measure!?
2550 from the outer wall sounds good...
, although if I could get a little more space it wouldn't hurt either...
The room that the door leads into should probably not be wider than 3.6 meters I have concluded. Not that it matters if the room is large, but the room next door would instead become uncomfortably narrow :S.
2550 + 900 (door) + 70 (distance frame-> wall) = 3520.
, although if I could get a little more space it wouldn't hurt either...
The room that the door leads into should probably not be wider than 3.6 meters I have concluded. Not that it matters if the room is large, but the room next door would instead become uncomfortably narrow :S.
2550 + 900 (door) + 70 (distance frame-> wall) = 3520.
Hampe, in the first post you set the step height = 199mm and thereby 14 steps. In the second, it seems like you adopt 15 step heights, 5+9+1.
Personally, I think that 14 step heights risk feeling quite steep and difficult to walk on.
Personally, I think that 14 step heights risk feeling quite steep and difficult to walk on.
Just like you, I have planned a right-hand staircase that I will set up later. I currently have a left-hand staircase in another part of the house and will eventually move the access to the upper floor.
I have planned as follows:
Floor to floor: 2640 mm
Number of steps 14 (18.8 mm)
Staircase space length (the one you want to keep as short as possible): 2890
6 curved
7 straight
1 floor beam step
I could have extended the staircase slightly into the room with one or two steps, but the problem is that I live in a 1 1/2 storey house, and you would likely hit your head on the sloping roof since you would reach a higher height already where the staircase starts to curve.
Good luck with the staircase construction
/PC
I have planned as follows:
Floor to floor: 2640 mm
Number of steps 14 (18.8 mm)
Staircase space length (the one you want to keep as short as possible): 2890
6 curved
7 straight
1 floor beam step
I could have extended the staircase slightly into the room with one or two steps, but the problem is that I live in a 1 1/2 storey house, and you would likely hit your head on the sloping roof since you would reach a higher height already where the staircase starts to curve.
Good luck with the staircase construction
/PC
I must ask, is it the length of the stairwell or the length required before the stairs have passed the top of a doorway, i.e., about 2100-2200 mm?PCLarsson said:
If you understand what I mean...
We don't have that problem, or at least to a limited extent, with raised wall life.
I meant the entire length of the stairwell. On the stairs I have today, a door (2100) is located right next to it, and one could have recessed the door about 300 mm underneath the stairs. But then the frame would be directly against the underside of the stairs.
Aesthetically, in your case, I would probably prefer to extend the staircase into the room with one or two steps, all to avoid having the door too close to the underside of the stairs.
/PC
Aesthetically, in your case, I would probably prefer to extend the staircase into the room with one or two steps, all to avoid having the door too close to the underside of the stairs.
/PC
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Now we're talking ..
Exactly what I had in mind. The door a little bit under the stairs to maximize the space.
I started to sketch something like this in SketchUp but gave up.
You still have 14 step heights and I still think 15 would be better.
But with 15 step heights and a step length of 250, it looks like your sketch still works because then there's an additional step above the door.
Nice picture.
What did you draw with?
Exactly what I had in mind. The door a little bit under the stairs to maximize the space.
I started to sketch something like this in SketchUp but gave up.
You still have 14 step heights and I still think 15 would be better.
But with 15 step heights and a step length of 250, it looks like your sketch still works because then there's an additional step above the door.
Nice picture.
What did you draw with?
Now I stumbled upon a staircase drawing.
http://www.byggfaktadocu.se/10/resourcefile/40/45/00/IBSE 110-15V.pdf
The 3140mm measurement for the stair opening is for 15 risers, and each step is 250mm long.
If I let 3 steps be above the doorway, the door can be 3149mm - 750mm = 2390mm from the exterior wall.
If I put it like this;
It seems I won't mess up completely if I reserve only 2500mm (possibly only 2400) between the exterior wall and the door as space for a staircase to the upper floor.
Both this drawing and everything Hampe and PCLarsson have contributed suggests that it's sufficient.
(the aesthetics of a door squeezed under the staircase, unfortunately, we'll have to live with. :S)
http://www.byggfaktadocu.se/10/resourcefile/40/45/00/IBSE 110-15V.pdf
The 3140mm measurement for the stair opening is for 15 risers, and each step is 250mm long.
If I let 3 steps be above the doorway, the door can be 3149mm - 750mm = 2390mm from the exterior wall.
If I put it like this;
It seems I won't mess up completely if I reserve only 2500mm (possibly only 2400) between the exterior wall and the door as space for a staircase to the upper floor.
Both this drawing and everything Hampe and PCLarsson have contributed suggests that it's sufficient.
(the aesthetics of a door squeezed under the staircase, unfortunately, we'll have to live with. :S)
Now it's starting to come together a little.
Measuring a bit lazily on this drawing, it takes about 2400-2500 mm to the outer wall to just fit the door right under the third last step. (I can measure a bit less lazily later to determine an exact measurement)
Will this work; Step height 185.3 and step length (2xstep height + step depth) =620?
Measuring a bit lazily on this drawing, it takes about 2400-2500 mm to the outer wall to just fit the door right under the third last step. (I can measure a bit less lazily later to determine an exact measurement
)Will this work; Step height 185.3 and step length (2xstep height + step depth) =620?
Old thread but what program do you use to draw this staircase?