Hello,
I have moved into a newly built house (2015) and am wondering what rules apply to new construction. Should you hear when the neighbor is urinating and walking above? Walking (not running). They have no children. We have had a measurement done by those who built the house, but it shows "of course" that the values meet the requirements.
The report says:
Measured impact sound level meets the requirements for sound class A according to Swedish Standard SS 25267:2004. For the tested constructions, L'n,w 46 dB was measured from Bedroom 1 in apartment 1031 to Bedroom 1 in apartment 1021, L'n,w 44 dB from Bedroom 2 in apartment 1031 to Bedroom 2 in apartment 1021, and L'n,w 42 dB from the hallway in apartment 1031 to Bedroom 2 in apartment 1021.
Measured pink noise meets the requirements for sound class B between the WC in apartment 1031 to Bedroom 1 in apartment 1021 and sound class C between the WC in apartment 1031 to Bedroom 2 in apartment 1021, according to Swedish Standard SS 25267:2004. The measured values also meet the highest recommended equivalent continuous sound pressure levels from installations in spaces for sleeping and resting.
Sound class C is the minimum requirement according to BBR.
The tests were conducted with various equipment. What we experience is nevertheless very disturbing. The neighbor above us goes to the bathroom at night and early in the morning, and sometimes we wake up from the noise. We don't hear the flushing, just the direct sound when the water hits in the WC.
Maybe I'll have to ask him to sit down and urinate in the future
Is this really okay?
I have moved into a newly built house (2015) and am wondering what rules apply to new construction. Should you hear when the neighbor is urinating and walking above? Walking (not running). They have no children. We have had a measurement done by those who built the house, but it shows "of course" that the values meet the requirements.
The report says:
Measured impact sound level meets the requirements for sound class A according to Swedish Standard SS 25267:2004. For the tested constructions, L'n,w 46 dB was measured from Bedroom 1 in apartment 1031 to Bedroom 1 in apartment 1021, L'n,w 44 dB from Bedroom 2 in apartment 1031 to Bedroom 2 in apartment 1021, and L'n,w 42 dB from the hallway in apartment 1031 to Bedroom 2 in apartment 1021.
Measured pink noise meets the requirements for sound class B between the WC in apartment 1031 to Bedroom 1 in apartment 1021 and sound class C between the WC in apartment 1031 to Bedroom 2 in apartment 1021, according to Swedish Standard SS 25267:2004. The measured values also meet the highest recommended equivalent continuous sound pressure levels from installations in spaces for sleeping and resting.
Sound class C is the minimum requirement according to BBR.
The tests were conducted with various equipment. What we experience is nevertheless very disturbing. The neighbor above us goes to the bathroom at night and early in the morning, and sometimes we wake up from the noise. We don't hear the flushing, just the direct sound when the water hits in the WC.
Maybe I'll have to ask him to sit down and urinate in the future
Is this really okay?
Krilleman
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Krilleman
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Today's constructions are not made to be high-quality. The builder simply wants to build as cheaply as possible but follow the minimum regulations and requirements that exist. Yet at the same time, charge as much money as possible from the buyers. It's no secret.
I have a friend who lived in a newly produced house by PEAB. There, you could fart in one room while it was heard throughout the entire apartment...
I have a friend who lived in a newly produced house by PEAB. There, you could fart in one room while it was heard throughout the entire apartment...
Just as obvious as removing lint from the laundry room's dryer, is that when standing to pee between 21:00 and 06:00, one aims at the porcelain and not the water. The neighbor above might be an old villagubbe who has taken the step into the apartment world in his later years and therefore might not be fully aware of all the unwritten rules.
Thank you for reminding me why I never want to live in an apartment again... I remember the sounds from above my previous apartment, in the evenings, when you sat down to eat... You lose your appetite pretty quickly.
But seriously - yes, construction is incredibly sloppy and without consideration for the sound environment. Noise through walls is admittedly difficult to handle since they are structural sounds, which travel through vibrations in pipes and frames, etc., but you can consider this already when designing the layout. However, that makes it more expensive in some way...
Unfortunately, I don't think soundproofing helps very much, unless you start adding extra interior walls and ceilings with insulation and double drywall. Earplugs or moving are probably the only options, unfortunately.
But seriously - yes, construction is incredibly sloppy and without consideration for the sound environment. Noise through walls is admittedly difficult to handle since they are structural sounds, which travel through vibrations in pipes and frames, etc., but you can consider this already when designing the layout. However, that makes it more expensive in some way...
Unfortunately, I don't think soundproofing helps very much, unless you start adding extra interior walls and ceilings with insulation and double drywall. Earplugs or moving are probably the only options, unfortunately.
Then it is with sound measurement and standards that they are incredibly blunt tools. Continuous sounds, for example, are much easier to tolerate than occasional ones, even if the latter are weaker. It's simply easier to get used to a sound blanket than something that randomly breaks the silence.
Furthermore, it doesn't account for what kind of sound it is. Cheers from the neighbor when it's a World Cup gold are much easier to endure than the sound of his bodily functions, regardless of the sound pressure. But the rules don't take such things into consideration.
Furthermore, it doesn't account for what kind of sound it is. Cheers from the neighbor when it's a World Cup gold are much easier to endure than the sound of his bodily functions, regardless of the sound pressure. But the rules don't take such things into consideration.
Sounds a bit strange to me. In our house from the 30s, no toilet sounds can be heard from the upstairs, except when the water rushes down through the plastic drain pipes.
Could it be noise transference through the ventilation you're hearing? Perhaps the neighbor is stomping around in some kind of indoor shoes that amplify the footsteps?
Could it be noise transference through the ventilation you're hearing? Perhaps the neighbor is stomping around in some kind of indoor shoes that amplify the footsteps?
It is probably a complete lie,Jonatan79 said:Yes, sitting down is also good for the prostate I've heard
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and just made up to excuse poor soundproofing
No wonder... the houses were a bit more solidly built back then.FG said: