Downlight boxes?

[Anna1984]

Since I want spotlights in the ceiling (which are not included) in my new house, I have considered making a spotlight "frame" around the room. I plan to make the recess as small as possible. There are a number of downlight boxes on the market, but not many with low building height. I found some at Jula that are only 8.8cm
http://www.jula.se/downlightbox-402346

The question is whether I can use them for all spotlights or do some spotlights require downlight boxes with greater building height?

I know that different spotlights require different distances from combustible materials, but a downlight box is meant to protect against that, right? Which should mean that a downlight box is constructed to protect regardless of the distance the spotlight requires to combustible material?

 

[KnockOnWood]

It probably depends entirely on the type of lamp you plan to install, and how high its wattage is.
Halogen, low energy, or LED? 2, 10, 25, or 50 Watts?

Each lamp/fixture should have a mounting guide that explains how it should be installed.
It's best to start by looking there and following the instructions.

 

[hempularen]

The Dowenlightbox only protects against fire if it has the correct height in relation to what is required by the fixture. So it doesn't really protect against fire, it just ensures that nothing flammable comes within the distance.

There are boxes made of paper, and they do the same job as a box made of steel.

 

[Campar]

I have just installed these in my ceiling:
http://www.malmbergs.com/frmProductDisplay_new.aspx?item=9974091
Installed them in regular junction boxes, they are approximately 57mm deep? (45-stud + 12mm ceiling plate)

I have also in previous rooms lowered the ceiling with 38mm and installed these without any extra support (there is nothing that can fall over them):
http://www.malmbergs.com/frmProductDisplay_new.aspx?item=9974002

//Niklas

 

[anders07]

The recommendation is usually pots because one might think they eventually want to switch to spotlights or insert "mistakes." Many LED spotlights do not get warm, and there are different "pucks" that can be inserted without a pot. These pucks are often max. 20W though...

 

[Anna1984]

I have just installed these in my ceiling:
[link]
Installed them in regular junction boxes, they build about 57mm? (45-wall stud + 12mm ceiling panel)


//Niklas

How much did those spotlights cost? Do you have a picture to show when they are lit? I would like as yellow a light as possible but want LED spotlights. I saw they are 2700K. Does that provide a pleasant light?

 

[MB77]

Malmbergs MD-99 costs 162 SEK each at e.g. Elbutik.se

I have these at home, both in the eaves and indoors. I think it's a really good lamp with a good light pattern, temperature, design, and price.

 

[Anna1984]

Malmbergs MD-99 costs 162kr each at e.g. Elbutik.se

I have these at home, both in the eaves and indoors. I think it's a really good lamp with good light distribution, temperature, design, and price.

That was a reasonable price. How do you think they compare to a halogen lamp? Do you have any pictures?

 

[MB77]

That was a reasonable price. How do you think they compare to a halogen lamp in terms of brightness? Do you have any pictures?

Very similar, I don't have good pictures indoors but there are some outdoors in this thread. See #27

http://www.byggahus.se/forum/showthread.php?t=215569

 

[Anna1984]

Very similar, I don't have good pictures indoors but outdoors there are in this thread. See #27

[link]

It looks good. And they work just as well outdoors?

 

[Knufen]

Do you need a box in the ceiling when using LED spotlights?

 

[led-zep]

You can read that in the installation instructions.

 

[Bloink]

Reading that you are going to build a "spotlight frame," does this mean you are going to lower from the existing ceiling? In that case, you may not need any built-in box at all. As long as you meet the manufacturer's requirements for distance to combustible materials. What material is the ceiling made of, and how much are you going to lower? As long as you don't insulate this space, I see no reason to have a built-in box.

 

[Anna1984]

I read that you are going to build a "spotlight frame," does this mean you are going to lower from the existing ceiling? If so, it is not certain that you need any built-in box at all. As long as you meet the manufacturer's requirements with distance to combustible material. What is the ceiling made of and how much are you going to lower? As long as you don't insulate this space, I see no reason to have a built-in box.

I don't want to build such a deep frame, I was thinking about 10cm down from the ceiling. The ceiling consists of huntonit wall panels (wood material). To avoid pots, I have to build a larger frame or just use a limited selection of spotlights. Many seem to require at least 20cm to combustible material.

 

[Anna1984]

I have started to look more and more at spotlights that can be built into junction boxes. There is actually quite a good selection of spotlights for that purpose. For example, Malmbergs MD-350. That way I get a minimal building height. I was just thinking of screwing up 45x45 battens in the ceiling and attaching plasterboard directly to it. How deep is the junction box?