I'm building a shed. I've just stapled up the wind barrier, T-Vind super. On top of this, I plan to have sparse paneling 28x70 on cc 60 (horizontal). Then vertical paneling 22x120 and the same for the covering battens. But how do I actually avoid the wind barrier being perforated by nails? I planned to nail the bottom boards with 75mm nails, but then 25mm will go through and into the wind barrier? Can you use nails as short as 50mm for paneling?
I am building a shed. I have just stapled up the wind barrier, T-Vind super. On top of this, I plan to use a spaced panel 28x70 on cc 60 (horizontal). Then a vertical panel 22x120 and the same as cover. But how do I actually avoid the wind barrier being perforated by nails? I was thinking of nailing the bottom boards with 75mm nails, but then 25mm will go through and into the wind barrier? Can you nail panels with nails as thin as 50mm?
The nails don't need to be longer than the panel + battens; whether it goes through by 1 mm or 100 mm is irrelevant for strength.
2.8x50 nails work perfectly!
Most nail manufacturers can provide nails in any length. However, you might need to order a bit more than just one box of 200.
Tip from a carpenter relative who always adjusts nail length to reality.
Otherwise, you solve the problem with horizontal paneling.
Then place the nail battens, or slat panel if you prefer, on the studs.
In that case, the wind barrier is clamped between the nail batten and the stud.
And there will be no holes in the wrong places.
Result = Perfect
Affects marginally, if at all, to use nails that go through the wind barrier. You have the nail batten that rests against the cloth and helps to protect.
It will be vertical paneling. I want the same appearance as on the house. Additionally, it's a housing area where everyone has vertical paneling.
So it's "just" about finding the right size nail. I would need 50x2.8 and 72x2.8. Preferably a few mm smaller to be safe. You might drive the nail head a few mm into the wood as well. According to the house AMA, you're supposed to use 33mm nail battens and not 28. The problem for me is that the shed will be a few square dm too large, and it's probably cheaper with 28x70 as well.
I understand the impact is relatively marginal. But I strongly dislike not doing things as well as possible when I'm doing something myself. Having bought very expensive windbreak fabric and put it up carefully, it feels like a shame to nail hundreds of holes in it.
EDIT: Gunnebo's site isn't working when clicking on panel nails, so you can't see what dimensions are available. Unfortunately.
EDIT2: Their collated panel nails come in 48mm and 70mm lengths, perfect for me. I hope the regular nails are available in the same lengths.
...According to building code AMA, you should use 33mm batten and not 28. The problem for me is that then the shed becomes a few square dm too large, it is probably also cheaper with 28x70...
Nine square decimeters = 0.09 sqm. Probably no one will notice.
But otherwise, a proper solution to the puncture wind weave problem is to put a layer of 45 mm insulation between 45x45 mm studs outside the standing framework.
And then wind weave and batten on top of that.
Nine square decimeters = 0.09 square meters. Probably no one will react to that.
But otherwise, a real solution to puncturing the wind barrier problem is to place a layer of 45 mm insulation between 45x45 mm battens outside the standing frame.
And then wind barrier and nail battens on top of that.
But then the area grows by another 0.8 square meters
Aside from the fact that the building area becomes too large, I'm not sure I buy your argument. You want the wind barrier on the outside of the insulation, otherwise, the insulation doesn't serve much purpose? And placing the nail battens directly against the horizontal 45s doesn't seem entirely correct either, as any potentially intruding water can't drain downwards (practically, there might be hardly any difference).
Apart from the fact that the building area becomes too large, I'm not quite sure if I buy your argument. You want the wind barrier on the outside of the insulation, otherwise, the insulation offers little benefit? And attaching the battens directly to the horizontal 45 mm doesn't quite seem right either since any penetrating water can't drain downwards (in practice, perhaps there's hardly any difference).
Absolutely correct! And the wind barrier is thus on the outside of the horizontal 45 mm battens/45 mm insulation.
And if you have a cover panel or cover strip panel, there is space for water to drain (and ventilation) right inside the covers.
But personally, I think the horizontal panel is best.
Can't substantiate it, though, so it's just a personal opinion.
Thus, it's "just" about finding the right dimension for the nail. I would need 50x2.8 and 72x2.8. Preferably a few mm less to be on the safe side. You might also nail the head a few mm into the wood. According to house AMA, you should use 33mm nail batten and not 28. The problem for me is that then the shed would be a few square dm too large, and it's likely cheaper with 28x70.
Banded nails for nail guns are available from 50 mm. Perfect for paneling.
And the nail head should not go a few mm into the panel; it should be on the surface.
Bandad spik för spikpistol finns från 50 mm. Perfekt till panel.
Och spikhuvudet ska inte in några mm i panelen, det ska ligga utanpå.
Yes, but I don't really have much use for banded nails. I prefer to nail the panel with a hammer. I have neither a nail gun nor a compressor, and it's actually nothing I miss despite extensive renovation work.
The feeling of driving a 4" nail into a solid stud that "responds" is not something I would want to be without.
hey, I've been using Biltema's 50x2.8 machine nails manually... :wow: there was no one else who had 50 nails anywhere... quite a significant number of boxes...
I also use it to nail råspont on the inside of the exterior walls to avoid perforating the plastic foil that sits inside a 45x45 stud, but then I use a machine and double hearing protection :x
Well, I don't really have much use for collated nails. I prefer to nail up the panel with a hammer. I have neither a nail gun nor a compressor, and it's actually not something I've missed despite extensive renovation work.
The feeling of driving in a 4" nail into a sturdy beam that "responds" is not something I'd want to be without.
Yes, to each their own. But is the 10,000th nail as much fun as the first?
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