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I want to build a pergola and need to have a 4.2m span. The largest beam that fits under the eaves is 45x145. Does anyone know how much weight it can support with such a large span without bending? They will be loaded with their own weight and overhead material of about 120-150kg. I could place two next to each other with a 45mm gap, how much would that affect the load-bearing capacity?
 
Are you going to hang 150kg on one of the studs? It won't work, I would say a maximum of around 50kg. It might help if you screw-glue two of them together but that's probably still on the edge.
 
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Lulaua Lulaua said:
Are you going to hang 150kg from one of the beams? Won't work, I'd say a max of around 50kg. It could help if you glue and screw two together, but that's probably still on the edge.
Dang. I was planning to lay slats on top, which would be about 150kg total distributed on each beam. I also wanted to attach a hanging chair or something similar to one of the beams.
 
Yes, but then you don't have 150kg just bearing on one beam - as long as you skip the hanging chair (you can probably hang the chair on a beam near a pillar).

Make a simple sketch with measurements, and one can assess the feasibility a bit better!
 
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Lulaua Lulaua said:
Yes, but then you won't have 150kg only bearing on one joist - as long as you skip the hanging chair (you can probably hang the chair on a joist near a pillar).

Make a simple sketch with measurements so we can assess the feasibility a bit better!
The red beams in the sketch are the 45x145 joists we are discussing. The idea was to place 45x145 joists on top as well all the way through. Sketch of structural beams with dimensions; red beams are 45x145mm overlaid, spaced 1.5m apart. Discussion on adding beams to reduce weight load.

The weight from the joists that lie on top is about 130kg per joist, and self-weight about 20kg. About 18 45x145 joists lie on top and there is 1.5m between the beams, they weigh 4.9kg per meter. But what I could do is attach more beams to the blue beam so that the weight per red beam is less. But the question then is how large the blue beam needs to be, is 45x145 enough?
 
The blue is not affected much by more red beams as it has a span of 1.4 m between the supports. It is the long span of the red beams, 4.05 m, that is difficult to manage. Is it not possible to use a larger dimension for the red beams?
 
The simplest way is probably to take 190 studs and notch out the top so they fit under the eaves. It is in the middle between the eaves and the support that the load on the stud is greatest, and the height of the stud is needed to handle the bending stress.
 
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Lulaua Lulaua said:
Yes, but then you don't have 150kg loading just one beam - as long as you skip the hanging chair (you can probably hang the chair on a beam near a pillar).

Make a simple sketch with measurements so we can better assess the feasibility!
No, it's not possible, with 145mm I would have to cut a large hole in the roof eave, plus there's a gutter 1 cm above this. The ceiling is so low and most of the wall is covered with windows that the distance between the window sill at the top of the windows and the roof eave is the big problem, it's about 10cm...

The only option I seem to have is to break up the deck and place posts further in; I could set a row of posts with a 2.82m span. Then maybe I can even reduce the dimension to 45x120 and let the posts stand with 2.80x2.82 distance?
 
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GoC GoC said:
The simplest way is probably to take 190 beams and saw out the upper edge so they fit under the eave.
It is in the middle between the eave and support that the load on the beam is greatest and the height of it is needed to handle bending stress.
That might work. As it is now, I plan to cut about 5cm of the eave. But to fit 195mm, I would then need to cut 5cm off the beam as well, both for the eave and for the gutter. Will the beam still have better load-bearing ability even when it's cut out?
 
GoC GoC said:
The easiest way is probably to take 190 beams and cut out the top so they fit under the eaves. It is in the middle between the eaves and the support that the load on the beam is greatest, and its height is needed to handle the bending stress.
The height may also be needed near the support where the shear force is greatest - so if such a cut is made, it's probably a good idea to check that section as well.
 
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That might be possible. As it stands, I plan to cut off about 5cm of the roof overhang. But to fit 195mm, I would need to cut off 5cm from the beam as well, both for the roof overhang and the gutter. Will the beam still have better load-bearing capacity even if it's cut out?
You should cut with a "soft" transition between the cut-out section and up to "full thickness" to avoid creating a notch.
 
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