How to best apply stone adhesive?

[snowjim]

Hello,

I was planning to glue a wall with Illbruck PU700. The containers I bought come with a small plastic nozzle.



But at the same time, I've seen that you can buy a special caulking gun.



I suspect that the gun exists for a reason, but the question is whether it's that difficult to manage with the included nozzle?

 

[SBH]

it is a different kind of bottle/container for the pistol

 

[SBH]

Nope, it should work with that bottle. It should also be possible to make the bottle last longer, 26 meters with a gun and 15 meters with the included nozzle.

 

[fsn]

Hello,

I was planning to glue bricks with Illbruck PU700. The containers I bought come with a small plastic nozzle

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But at the same time, I have seen that you can buy a special caulking gun

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I suspect that the gun exists for a reason, but the question is if it's so hard to manage with the included nozzle?

It will work with the regular spray can.

The caulking gun is for special cans. A big advantage is that you can stop halfway through a can, clean the gun with cleaning spray, and then continue when you feel like it.

With a regular spray can, you start and then empty it, it's essentially single-use.

Biltema has brick adhesive for caulking guns for 60-70kr per can. They also have cleaning spray for similar money. Using a caulking gun without cleaning spray, which you screw on and clean with, is sheer waste of money. Then it's better to use single-use cans.

 

[Peter2400]

I have two Biltema guns, one loaded with stone glue and the other with regular foam sealant. Really good guns, have stood for more than half a year without drying, I usually spray out some foam sometime in the winter if I remember. I've also bought a bottle of cleaner, that purchase was a waste of money as I won't be using it.

 

[KalleKe]

I drove straight from the can when we were building the wall at home went great

 

[fsn]

I have two Biltema guns, one loaded with stone glue and the other with regular foam sealant.
Really good guns, they've been standing for more than half a year without drying, I usually spray some foam out sometime in the winter if I remember.
I also bought a bottle of cleaner, that purchase was a waste of money since I won't be using it.

The gunk in the pipe and nozzle hardens if it stands, exactly in the same way as it does on a Byggmax foam sealant if you leave it.

 

[Peter2400]

The gunk in the pipes and nozzle hardens if it stands, exactly in the same way as it does on a Byggmax foam sealant if you leave it.

The difference from a single-use canister is that there is a grease nipple at the tip of the gun, the foam needs air/moisture to harden.

 

[fsn]

The difference from a disposable bottle is that there is a grease nipple at the tip of the gun, the foam needs air/moisture to cure.

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Have you used your guns a lot? The nipple is spring-loaded and it didn't take many cans before my nipple "stuck" due to cured foam residue, and then you have to clean between uses, which is a simple task in this context. I've had two of Biltema's cheapest guns and both have acted up, so I thought it was pretty much standard.

 

[Peter2400]

Have you used your pistols a lot? The nozzle is spring-loaded and it only took a few cans before my nozzle "jammed" due to cured foam residues, and then you have to clean between uses, which in this context is a simple thing. I've had two of Biltema's cheapest guns, and both have malfunctioned, so I thought it was basically standard.

I've used my two pistols relatively much, but maybe I've just been lucky.

 

[snowjim]

It worked excellently to apply directly from the nozzle that comes with the can. 1 can also lasted very long considering it only required a string on our stones that are 12 cm wide. I guess we can set the entire wall with 3 cans which supposedly represent 20 KG of cement.

Impressive how hard it sets in just 15-20 minutes.

The nozzle actually didn't clog so easily; you could have a break for 30 minutes and then continue without any problems.

One thing I missed, however, was wetting the stone first. I don't know how important this is, but I know it's quite common to do so when working with attaching stone.

 

[ItWasntMe]

Now I have to weigh in because I notice that some people here don't know how a professional gun works.

A real gun has a needle that seals the nozzle so that oxygen/air doesn't enter the tube and, in this way, it doesn't cure inside. They don't need to be cleaned; you use the foam/glue that's needed, set the gun aside. What you must not do, of course, is unscrew the cartridge and then put both aside. Then you're fucked for life, of course, and can toss the gun. As long as you keep the nozzle closed by screwing it tight when not in use, the gun can have the foam loaded for basically as long as you want.

At work, we each have our own gun, and they are used differently, and not a single gun has failed despite long-term storage. However, if you don't have space (the gun takes up a lot of space with the cartridge on), you can use a cleaning cartridge to rinse it. It doesn't hurt, so to speak.

Peter, you haven't just been lucky; it's perfectly fine to do so.
Fsn, you are wrong. If you have a Biltema gun, you can expect things like that to happen. If you buy a gun from Ilsbruck or Silka, it doesn't happen. But a pro gun costs 900kr, so there is, of course, a difference.

However, they are worth the money every day of the week. You get full control over how much you want to apply. Plus, you can attach whatever hoses you feel like, as long as they fit over the nozzle. However, you should not tamper with the nozzle; let the foam/glue cure on the outside. Then, when it's time to use it again, scrape off the dry stuff with a knife or brush. Then it's just rock & roll and go. =)

The cartridges that should be on the gun are special and have a different attachment, but there are bottles like the one in the picture that fit a gun but also have a disposable nozzle. However, you must check that when buying to make sure you get the right cartridge.

/from a carpenter who knows.

 

[fsn]

Now I have to chime in because I notice that some people here don't know how a professional pistol works.
A real pistol has a needle that blocks the nozzle so that oxygen/air doesn't get into the tube, and in this way, it does NOT cure inside. They don't need to be cleaned; you just use the foam/glue you need and then put the gun aside. What you should definitely NOT do is unscrew the tube and then put both aside.
Then you are fucked for lyfe, of course, and can throw the pistol away.
As long as you don't have the nozzle open and screw it tight so it is closed when not in use, the pistol can have the foam loaded for basically as long as you want.
At work, we each have our own pistol, and they are used differently, and no pistol has failed despite long-term storage. However, if you don't have space (the pistol takes up a lot of space with the tube on), you can use the cleaning tube and rinse it clean. It doesn't hurt, so to speak.

Peter, you haven't had luck; you can do it just fine.
Fsn, you're wrong. If you have a Biltema pistol, you have to expect that such things can happen. If you buy a pistol from Ilsbruck or Silka, it won't happen. But a professional pistol costs 900kr, so there is a difference.

However, they are worth the money any day of the week. You get full control over how much you want to apply. And you can attach any hose you feel like, as long as they fit over the nozzle.
However, you should not mess with the nozzle; let the foam/glue cure on the outside. Then, when it's time to use it again, scrape off the dry stuff with a knife or brush. Then it's just rock & roll and go. =)

The tubes that are supposed to be on the pistol are special and have a different fitting, but there are bottles like the one in the picture that fit the pistol but also have a disposable nozzle. However, you must check this when you buy to make sure you get the right tube.

/from a carpenter who knows.

You're basically repeating what's already been written, that there's a valve in the tip, that it holds pressure over time.

In what way am I wrong? I have two guns, both have failed. It's sad or bad luck, but exactly where am I wrong? You even claim it's something to expect. Peter's guns still work, good, fun, or lucky. But how is that more correct?

I didn't leave the canister in the gun for half a year; I took it out and cleaned it, and that doesn't seem necessary.

I have a 100% failure rate on my guns, and in true Biltema spirit, it's perhaps not very surprising. Biltema has two models, and I bought the cheapest one. It's an item that's not used very often. The latest is 4 months old and is going in for a warranty exchange when I find the receipt.

 

[engs]

Does anyone know if Biltema's foam gun fits on Illbruck PU700 bottles?

https://www.biltema.se/bygg/kemikalier/fogpistoler/fogskumspistol-2000023750

 

[ItWasntMe]

Does anyone know if Biltema's foam gun fits on Illbruck PU700 cans?

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yes, it does. It is a standard for all cans that are screwed on.