Help me in the jungle!
I'm looking for gutters and downspouts with sharp angles in something like galvanized......I think...I'm not sure if that's what I'm looking for?! :blushing:
I don't understand the difference between the different materials.
Sensitive to what?
Durability?
Where can I find ones with sharp angles?
Checked Lindab and Plannja's websites but they only have ones with "falukorvsböj"
and I don't want those.
A borrowed car will illustrate what I'm looking for.
I'm looking for gutters and downspouts with sharp angles in something like galvanized......I think...I'm not sure if that's what I'm looking for?! :blushing:
I don't understand the difference between the different materials.
Sensitive to what?
Durability?
Where can I find ones with sharp angles?
Checked Lindab and Plannja's websites but they only have ones with "falukorvsböj"
and I don't want those.A borrowed car will illustrate what I'm looking for.
No one knows?
Or am I in the wrong category?
Or am I in the wrong category?
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Here is an article about sheet metal work: https://www.byggahus.se/bygga/vlj-pltdetaljer-omsorg
Thank you! I didn't see these when I searched....:blushing: I will immediately call them tomorrow for a price!Macki said:
Marlene: Here is a clip from your great article. I have a question regarding Aluzink which you mention further down. Under which group is it placed? Is it the same as titanzink? And you wrote that galvanized can be painted over after some years, does it have to be painted otherwise it will rust? I also think I read somewhere that you should take into account if you have clay tiles or concrete tiles on the roof, but I don’t remember what it was about... Corrosion maybe? Anyone know?
"The first thing you should do before ordering sheet metal details is to decide what material you want them to be made of. You can choose between:
• Galvanized steel sheet, which can be factory pre-painted with Plastisol, polyester, metal lacquer, or PVF2, but also untreated which is painted on-site.
• Titanzink (Rheinzink or VM Zink), which can be obtained with different patinas, pre-treated in the factory.
• Copper.
• Aluminum sheet, which can also be surface-coated.
Here, you should consider that if it’s a difficult house to reach and maintain– choose a material that requires little maintenance, e.g., titanzink.
Galvanized or zinc-coated sheet metal is the traditional sheet metal material used from the 1800s onwards. The galvanized sheet can be painted only after a couple of years with, for example, linseed oil paint. Nowadays, there is also Aluzink-coated sheet metal which is very similar to galvanized, but has the advantage that it does not need to be painted to achieve adequate rust protection."
"The first thing you should do before ordering sheet metal details is to decide what material you want them to be made of. You can choose between:
• Galvanized steel sheet, which can be factory pre-painted with Plastisol, polyester, metal lacquer, or PVF2, but also untreated which is painted on-site.
• Titanzink (Rheinzink or VM Zink), which can be obtained with different patinas, pre-treated in the factory.
• Copper.
• Aluminum sheet, which can also be surface-coated.
Here, you should consider that if it’s a difficult house to reach and maintain– choose a material that requires little maintenance, e.g., titanzink.
Galvanized or zinc-coated sheet metal is the traditional sheet metal material used from the 1800s onwards. The galvanized sheet can be painted only after a couple of years with, for example, linseed oil paint. Nowadays, there is also Aluzink-coated sheet metal which is very similar to galvanized, but has the advantage that it does not need to be painted to achieve adequate rust protection."
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Keep in mind that Plannja's sharp pipe angles are delivered with extra material. To make it look nice, you should trim a piece closest to the gutter/gathering funnel.lillathyra said:
The image you attached is of Plannja's parts, and the sheet metal worker has done "almost" right against the gutter. An additional 3-4cm trimmed off, and it would have been perfect. It should be short enough that the connection part is visible from below in the pipe.
...and for heaven's sake, make sure to order proper wall brackets with a wedge. Not the new unsightly ones with an eccentric latch as shown in the picture. The old ones are still available, but dealers can't find them in Plannja's lists. However, the old article number is still valid and Plannja still manufactures them. There seems to be a bit of a sheet metal worker uprising about this.
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Aluzinc is a "new" unique type of sheet metal (not the same as titanium zinc) and does not belong to any of those I mentioned earlier. Aluzinc does not need to be painted for rust protection.
Titanium zinc does not need to be painted, aluzinc does not need to be painted, but galvanized steel sheet needs to be painted.
We chose titanium zinc for our house because we wanted old-fashioned sheet metal and couldn't decide whether or not we wanted it painted. Here is a picture of our sheet metal work in titanium zinc. The first picture shows how it looked when it was newly installed in 2007. The second picture shows how it looks today. We think we might paint it in the color of the facade, perhaps next year.
Titanium zinc does not need to be painted, aluzinc does not need to be painted, but galvanized steel sheet needs to be painted.
We chose titanium zinc for our house because we wanted old-fashioned sheet metal and couldn't decide whether or not we wanted it painted. Here is a picture of our sheet metal work in titanium zinc. The first picture shows how it looked when it was newly installed in 2007. The second picture shows how it looks today. We think we might paint it in the color of the facade, perhaps next year.
That's our previous house in the picture you attached lillthyra (please specify the source when using my images). It is indeed Plannja's galvanized sharp pipe angles, gutters, and pipes. These were discontinued shortly after we got them. According to the company, they can't offer the same warranty on the galvanized ones as on the others, so they choose not to sell them. Our first house had Aluzink, and it also looks good, but when compared to galvanized, you can see the difference.
Johan Gunverth: Thanks for the tip on how to mount it, but I don't quite understand what you mean. Where should it be cut? "Plåtslagaren" is my partner who is actually a carpenter, so almost perfect is quite a good rating after all! The angle is fixed, it can't be cut. Do you mean the downspout should have been positioned higher up? Please explain so we can do it right next time!
Regarding the brackets, I was very dissatisfied with these but was informed, as you say, that there were no others to choose from instead. They spoil the appearance. I'll make sure to be even more persistent next time it's time. We had to fight hard to even get Plannja's galvanized ones, as the first rounds in stores told us they only had Aluzink.
Edit: Or do you mean we should have cut the upper part of the angle, the vertical part, so that the funnel and the sharp pipe angle are closer to each other? Is that it?
Johan Gunverth: Thanks for the tip on how to mount it, but I don't quite understand what you mean. Where should it be cut? "Plåtslagaren" is my partner who is actually a carpenter, so almost perfect is quite a good rating after all!
The angle is fixed, it can't be cut. Do you mean the downspout should have been positioned higher up? Please explain so we can do it right next time!Regarding the brackets, I was very dissatisfied with these but was informed, as you say, that there were no others to choose from instead. They spoil the appearance. I'll make sure to be even more persistent next time it's time. We had to fight hard to even get Plannja's galvanized ones, as the first rounds in stores told us they only had Aluzink.
Edit: Or do you mean we should have cut the upper part of the angle, the vertical part, so that the funnel and the sharp pipe angle are closer to each other? Is that it?
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Yep. Like thisSophie said:
Ah thanks! We'll keep that in mind for next time.
I looked through my pictures on the computer where I've photographed just drain angles on older houses for inspiration, and they actually have quite a distance between the trap and the angle. Do you think it's local variations or different for different times?
I looked through my pictures on the computer where I've photographed just drain angles on older houses for inspiration, and they actually have quite a distance between the trap and the angle. Do you think it's local variations or different for different times?
Sorry, but I have a thing for just saving pictures... I have a plethora of stolen images of, for example, glass verandas on my computer for entirely personal use, namely to dream around with.Sophie said:
Couldn't find my way back to where I took the picture... it won't happen again:blushing:
Does anyone know the article number for the wall sweep so I get the right one?
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Surely local variations. The ones I have looked at in Västergötland and Bohuslän have short distances. Often the original is soldered directly in the channel..Sophie said: