Hello all builders!

I had a roller blind installed with plugs where the material is some form of red porous red brick (apartment building from the early 1900s in central Stockholm). The plugs and everything came loose, leaving holes after the plugs, which were considerably larger.

I went up in size and tried to drill in larger plugs, but the brick is so porous that it just became one big hole where previously the two plugs were.

I'm wondering if anyone knows if it would be suitable to fill the entire hole with some compound and then press in the plugs and wait for it to dry, and if so, what material I should inject. Attaching a picture.
 
  • Large hole in a wall where plaster has chipped away, showing inner material. A hollow wall plug is visible, indicating previous mounting attempts.
Update. Bought some type of filler at Clas Ohlson after a tip from the staff there. Put it in a wound syringe and filled the hole with the filler before pressing in the plugs. I'm going to let it dry for a while before I try to put up the roller blind, and then I'll see if it works. Attaching pictures.
 
  • A hand holding a syringe filled with putty, used for filling wall holes at a home improvement project.
  • A person's hand holding a tube of Clas Ohlson lightweight wall filler indoors.
  • Two screws partially inserted into a wall filled with white putty near a vent, illustrating a DIY repair project to hang a window blind.
Farstatjej90
That won't hold a curtain rod unless it's Nils Karlsson Pyssling you live with.

Isn't it a plasterboard you have? Are you sure it's brick you're drilling into? It would be plastered brick in that case.
It looks like it's open behind the surface so to speak.

I would have taken a 70mm hole saw and drilled a disc so you can inspect what you have back there to begin with....
 
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Claes Sörmland
Filler is not the right product because it shrinks and is weak. It can also only be used up to 3 mm thickness. But Clas Ohlson has a very good product for this purpose which is a quick-cement:

https://www.clasohlson.com/se/Quick...g7to9J-0WE3relvW4XGPbWTEvqBXNa8waAj3AEALw_wcB

You have to work really quickly once you've mixed the cement paste because it really sets fast. It has saved my botched drillings in concrete when I've hit a stone and the hole has become too large.
 
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Thanks for the tips!

It's a brick wall with plaster, but I think the old plugs ended up right in the joint, which is why everything fell apart. Sounds like I should remove the plugs, drill again, and fill with cement then?
 
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You can move the holes a bit so that they don't end up on the joint.
Then you can also reinforce with glue to make sure the bracket is securely attached.
 
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Claes Sörmland
K Kaskelot said:
Thanks for the tips!

It's a brick wall with plaster, but I think the old plugs ended up in the middle of the joint, so that's why everything cracked. Sounds like I should remove the plugs, drill again and fill with cement then?
That's probably safest. Vacuum the holes thoroughly before you smear in the cement.
 
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namnbyte
That will hold just fine, I've been doing it myself since time immemorial when the drilling goes wrong. Just make sure it's completely dry, it looks like a big hole so preferably a week's drying time, otherwise you'll pull out the plug when you screw in the screw.
 
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Anchor compound is the right way forward
 
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Farstatjej90
namnbyte namnbyte said:
That will hold up excellently, I've been doing it that way since time immemorial when the drilling goes wrong. Just make sure it goes through, looks like a substantial hole so preferably a week of drying time, otherwise you'll pull the plug out when you screw in the screw.
The filler cracks when he drives the screw into the plug
Trust me.
 
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Farstatjej90 Farstatjej90 said:
The putty cracks when he screws into the plug
Trust me.
No, not if it’s thoroughly dry and well-filled, I've done so myself with both some curtains and the home theater speakers. If it's not dry all the way through, you'll pull out the plug.

It's a vertical tensile force against a horizontal mounting, also presumably with a support underneath in the form of an L. It will hold, I have 5kg speakers mounted that way. However, with sturdy screws/plugs.
 
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Claes Sörmland
The drying time for thick layers of spackle in holes is also not to be taken lightly this time of year when the relative humidity is high.
 
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Really fun to get such a response. I'll try to wait at least a week and then see if I can get the screw out and make it stay. If the roller blind comes loose, it doesn't matter too much.

It may well be that even a technically inferior method can work with a bit of luck. I'll provide an update in the future.
 
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Farstatjej90
namnbyte namnbyte said:
No, not if it's thoroughly dry and well-filled, I've done so myself with both some curtains and home theater speakers. If it's not dry all the way through, you'll pull out the plug.

It is a vertical tensile force against a horizontal attachment, moreover with an assumed support underneath in the form of an L. It will hold, I have 5kg speakers that have been mounted in that way. However, with sturdy screws/plugs.
Why on earth would you use the wrong material? I've tried to do this myself, and the filler cracked. It's great that your speakers are hanging up, but there are much better materials to use. Do that...
 
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Farstatjej90 Farstatjej90 said:
Why on earth should you use the wrong material? I tried doing this myself and the filler cracked. It's great that your speakers are hanging up, but there are much better materials to use. Do it...
No need to go overboard, you can stop screwing in even before that. The wall doesn't move significantly, there's no point in tightening so much. It's not the screw's tension against the plug that's the weak link in such mounting.

But yes, he could also mill out a groove in the brick and cast in an H-beam, which the curtain bracket is then welded to. Then it will hold even for your use of curtains!

EDIT: But to be really sure, he should probably also drill into the H-beam from the outside and attach wires to it to also utilize concrete foundations buried outside. This way, you can tighten the wire as desired or if there's an overload on the curtain bracket during, e.g., a visit.
 
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