Hello

I'm going to build a floor hatch about 5cm thick, with a steel frame and filled with concrete to drive over with a car. My problem is that I can't find any hinges that fit.

Currently, I am working on a glass hatch with a steel frame for a wine cellar in a concrete floor and have procured Tectus heavy duty concealed hinges.
Diagram of Tectus TE540 concealed hinge with measurements, showing its components and dimensions.

The wine cellar hatch will weigh just under 200kg and the hinges can handle 200kg - for a door?!? The hatch is oriented differently than doors and the load is applied in another way. Additionally, the wine cellar hatch, like the concrete hatch, will be assisted by gas springs when opening. The concrete hatch will also be opened by a linear actuator that can handle 10000N.

Cross-section diagram of a floor hatch with concrete fill, metal frame, and a gas spring mechanism, designed for heavy load support.

I have found pictures of hatches similar to my concrete hatch, but no detailed drawings of hinges. Could the hinge type above work? The hatch is supported more by my actuator than the hinges, right?

Happy ending to the crappy year 2020 :-/
 
  • Diagram of a floor hatch with gas spring, concrete filling, aluminum edge, and steel frame. Shows dimensions and construction elements for installation.
Åsa Lund
Is the idea that the gas struts should help lift the hatch when opening?
Otherwise, I would have opted for a hatch made of/with sturdy wooden beams that a car can drive over. More manageable for one person.
 
Yep. The gas springs help lift the hatch, even though it's not really needed with the actuator installed. The hatch will be in steel and concrete, so there's no talk of wood! :)
 
Åsa Lund
Ok
Fiber-reinforced concrete?
 
Ehhh!?! How come? :)
 

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Now, the gas spring and actuator will not lift the hatch directly upwards, and the closer the spring and actuator are to the hinge, the higher the load on the hinges. Imagine if someone happens to stand on the hatch when the actuator applies 10,000 Newtons.
Calculate the torques: 2000 N x half the hatch's length = force at the actuator's attachment x distance between the hinge and the actuator's attachment.

It is an advantage for the hinges when they are on a floor hatch rather than on a door.

Protte

PS, When I was growing up, the gray concrete suburbs were depressing; now "EVERYONE" wants concrete indoors...
The times are out of joint.
 
Thanks for a great formula. I'll use it. :D Offhand, Tectus concealed hinges should hold as they can handle a 200kg door. (y)

Regarding concrete, I agree. :rolleyes: This hatch is in a garage floor made of concrete, but it's going to be tiled eventually. ;)
 
Tiles could have been placed on something lighter than concrete and only 5 cm thick, and driving a car on it doesn't feel right to me.
Concrete has poor tensile strength, it can handle compression but is weak in tension.

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Why not a "completely in steel" hatch?
 
Violina Violina said:
Why not a "completely steel" hatch?
It's a thought. I was thinking of filling it to get the stability.
 
Violina quickly assembles a steel hatch, stronger and lighter than concrete.

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Thought it would be more solid and steady with concrete filling. :thinking:
 
Busster Busster said:
Thought it would be more rigid and steady with concrete filling. :thinking:
Well.. you'll have to reconsider that a bit.........
 
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Violina Violina said:
Well.. you might need to rethink that a little...........
Explain :thinking:

The frame the hatch is in is 50 mm high. I was thinking of welding together a well-reinforced hatch with a 5 mm steel plate at the bottom, a 40 mm frame of square tubing, and 5 mm steel on top. Inside the hatch, weld in coarse reinforcement mesh. Off to galvanization and then fill the cavity in the hatch with concrete.
Feels like a stable and quiet hatch that can handle tile installation. :)
 
Your steel structure must be self-supporting, as 5cm of concrete is not enough => you might as well lay metal on top and skip the concrete entirely.
 
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